Ban the Bible and the Qur'an?

[MD]

I wanna read more stuff from that interminable guy, let's hear it!

 

[interminable]

What do you mean write 'like' Qur'an? What would qualify as being 'like' the Qur'an? I have yet to hear anybody answer this question.

If I present some very beautiful poetry which influences lots of people, given your bias you can just say 'no it's not like the Qur'an' and I can say 'it is like the Qur'an', but it doesn't mean anything because that's just our opinions. This isn't an objective test, it doesn't prove anything. I am perplexed as to how one can think it does, given what I have heard of it so far.

It's not very hard to understand

U should provide a text that has a sensible meaning and at the same time literally and grammatically has no any faults like the Qur'an

There are many people who know Arabic while they aren't Muslims

So u write one if your text is like Qur'an they will give no time to Muslims to defend !

Besides this book was revealed when poets of Arab were proud of their poems and put them on کعبه
But Qur'an forced them to remove them.

Those who tried to bring like it have written something that makes u laugh.

After all Qur'an is really different from other texts in Arabic so that even prophet's words can't be compared to it

 

[interminable]

I understand that many people believe this. (And many disagree.) What we can say though, is that believing these things is an act of faith, not an act of using evidence and logical thinking.

There is nothing wrong with faith. But we get into trouble when we pretend that faith can be defended logically.

Please u don't speak about logic
I understood what logic means to u befor

 

[interminable]

If you say so.

Still, if the translations of the Qur'an into Portuguese and English are any indication, it is hardly all that remarkable as competition for the world's most impressive texts.

Translator's words aren't god's word

That's why u see no eloquence in them

 

[interminable]

I was going to tell @Laika that I wasn't especially keen on banning anything... but, your post gives me some pause... Jus' sayin'...

Just Reject QURAN's claim

 

[icehorse]

Please u don't speak about logic
I understood what logic means to u befor

It's fine for you to share what you believe. And if I see that you are claiming that your belief is a fact, I reserve the right to disagree. You have faith and belief, good for you. You do not have facts.

 

[YmirGF]

Just Reject QURAN's claim

Oh, don't take on so. I've beaten this particular topic to death and I most certainly reject the Qur'an's unsound so-called "challenge". It's not a realistic or fair "challenge" and so no non-Muslims have ever taken it particularly seriously. It's only meaningful to Muslims who would not dare to try meet the challenge. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, at best.

 

[interminable]

It's fine for you to share what you believe. And if I see that you are claiming that your belief is a fact, I reserve the right to disagree. You have faith and belief, good for you. You do not have facts.

When I say I can prove the existence of God by logic the only way that u can reject my claim is by logic too.

If I say I can prove the existence of God by emotion and sense the only way that you can reject my claim is by emotion and sense


But I provided the best and simplest logical arguments about the existence of God and u said our assumptions are different and I I've my own philosophy

Is it sensible from u??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[interminable]

Oh, don't take on so. I've beaten this particular topic to death and I most certainly reject the Qur'an's unsound so-called "challenge". It's not a realistic or fair "challenge" and so no non-Muslims have ever taken it particularly seriously. It's only meaningful to Muslims who would not dare to try meet the challenge. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, at best.

Link??

 

[LuisDantas]

Translator's words aren't god's word

That's why u see no eloquence in them

Sorry, but that is just not very convincing.

 

[interminable]

Sorry, but that is just not very convincing.

Look
English has no eloquence comparing to Persian
how do u expect a translator to translate it with eloquence while this language doesn't have?

 

[icehorse]

When I say I can prove the existence of God by logic the only way that u can reject my claim is by logic too.

If I say I can prove the existence of God by emotion and sense the only way that you can reject my claim is by emotion and sense


But I provided the best and simplest logical arguments about the existence of God and u said our assumptions are different and I I've my own philosophy

Is it sensible from u??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

i asked you to share the assumption that your philosophy uses. Why won't you?

 

[interminable]

i asked you to share the assumption that your philosophy uses. Why won't you?

Because it's useless

When u have chosen your assumptions already first I need to ruin your assumptions then we continue the discussion otherwise our efforts are in vain

 

[icehorse]

Look
English has no eloquence comparing to Persian
how do u expect a translator to translate it with eloquence while this language doesn't have?

Rumi translates from the Persian quite well!

 

[icehorse]

Because it's useless

When u have chosen your assumptions already first I need to ruin your assumptions then we continue the discussion otherwise our efforts are in vain

I often discuss ideas with people who take different assumptions than mine. It's not a problem. I understand that we don't all hold the same assumptions. I simply want to understand what assumption you use to make your argument. This is about communication!

 

[interminable]

Rumi translates from the Persian quite well!

There is no translator to be capable of transforming the Persian or Arabic eloquence into English since English has no this feature

 

[LuisDantas]

Look
English has no eloquence comparing to Persian
how do u expect a translator to translate it with eloquence while this language doesn't have?

I don't particularly, but that is not the point at all.

For all I know, the Qur'an is the marvel of the Arabic language and no other text in that language comes close to its literary and stylistic merits. It is entirely possible, albeit mostly because not too many people who have been taught to write in Arabic would feel safe in making the attempt in the first place.

In those terms your claim may well be true. But it does not really illustrate much beyond how intense the worship of the Qur'an has become.

Now, if we are to ask how the Qur'an compares to all other written works in human history - well, I flat out doubt that such a phenomenal book would have such a hard time in transmitting some of that wonder towards its translations.

Having read some of the Vedas, of Shakespeare, of Edgar Allan Poe, of the Tao Te Ching, I can't help but think of the Qur'an as not being in the same league overall.

Then again, there is the not inconsequential matter that the Qur'an's reason for being is not stylistic. It is supposed to be meaningful first and foremost for its religious message. And by that yardstick it is... not very good really.

 

[YmirGF]

There is no translator to be capable of transforming the Persian or Arabic eloquence into English since English has no this feature

Oh, come now, English can be every bit as eloquent as any other language. Take off your tunnel vision glasses.

 

[interminable]

I don't particularly, but that is not the point at all.

For all I know, the Qur'an is the marvel of the Arabic language and no other text in that language comes close to its literary and stylistic merits. It is entirely possible, albeit mostly because not too many people who have been taught to write in Arabic would feel safe in making the attempt in the first place.

In those terms your claim may well be true. But it does not really illustrate much beyond how intense the worship of the Qur'an has become.

Now, if we are to ask how the Qur'an compares to all other written works in human history - well, I flat out doubt that such a phenomenal book would have such a hard time in transmitting some of that wonder towards its translations.

Having read some of the Vedas, of Shakespeare, of Edgar Allan Poe, of the Tao Te Ching, I can't help but think of the Qur'an as not being in the same league overall.

Then again, there is the not inconsequential matter that the Qur'an's reason for being is not stylistic. It is supposed to be meaningful first and foremost for its religious message. And by that yardstick it is... not very good really.

I told u
Both should be considered not only its message simply because there are always some people that argue its content and say it's not logical while in fact it's against their passions

Even I wanna say that it's just the opposite
First eloquence then the meaningful message

Look
What did God want from sending this book?
Just his aim was to make human being understand that u can't bring like this book while u can read and write

 

[interminable]

Oh, come now, English can be every bit as eloquent as any other language. Take off your tunnel vision glasses.

Really??

I can see that most of your poems have no rhyme and rhythm
I don't know why u call them poem???!!!