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Behind the killing of 8 Gazan family members

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Okay again: How do they get there?
Who is going to supply them?
How are they going to replace Hamas, PIJ and all the other wacko Terrorist groups?

How did they get where they are now?

I don't know. But they did. The idea that fortress Israel is invincible reminds me of the Bush administration lead up to the invasion of Iraq.

Who would have predicted then that Isis would now be threatening both Iraq and Syria?

The Gazan people would probably love to see a force like Isis take over. What does "how will they get there?" have any importance? They can.

I think they will. And they will be supplied by whoever is supplying them now.

Tom
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
How they got where they are now? Well they started in Syria and thought it might be a neat idea to drive over to Iraq.
Its not some kind of secret.

And back in the day ISIS was part of Al-Nusra who was seen as a threat to Syria. When they split most people who knew about them would have been concerned. Also keep in mind that they mostly rule desert. Its not really a big feature to conquer sand.
And Iraq has been in a dire situation ever since the US first came and then retreated only to leave a country without hope behind. If the Peshmerga had decided to end Arab rule it would have been the same as with ISIS.

Ah they can reach Gaza? So how? By teleportation? The IS controlled areas of Syria and Iraq are somehow not connected to Gaza. So before addressing some apparent fear that they might conquer Gaza its probably a good idea to look into their way of transportation.

Oh and ISIS is largely supplied by itself. Which is possible because it rules an area that isnt devided so supply routes arent a problem.

And why would the population of Gaza welcome ISIS? Is that going to be your secret?


btw: THEY WILL GET THERE!!!! is not a proper explanation.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Yes every rocket shot at Gaza is aimed at women and children. But you didnt really answer the question.
Obviously Hamas, PIJ and other groups hide behind civilians to use them as human shields. But they are still firing and your people dont want to be fired upon.

Do something.



On a site note you seem highly agitated even though you have no connection to the place. Iam connected to the place and remain rather calm when i write.
Even though my brother has been called up into the reserves as was the husband of my cousin.
The family of my cousin didnt had a sleep for more than 3 hours every day for the last weeks and basically live in their fortified basement.
(before you even start some retarded BS about them being settlers, both families live within Israel proper)

And yet its you who seems agitated. I think i should be agitated.

I don't have a connection to the place but I have not lost my humanity and I have a connection to people who are suffering and being murder. Israel is killing children intentionally, I do not for one minute, second or mirco second believe that this slaughter was somehow just an accident. It was intentional and it was meant to send a message.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't have a connection to the place but I have not lost my humanity and I have a connection to people who are suffering and being murder. Israel is killing children intentionally, I do not for one minute, second or mirco second believe that this slaughter was somehow just an accident. It was intentional and it was meant to send a message.

Is your "humanity" ever put at risk by spreading dangerous accusations against people that you cannot actually demonstrate to be true?

It does not seem to me that your belief Israel is intentionally killing children, which appears to be supported only by your profound faith in the infallibility of your guesses, holds up in the court of reason.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Is your "humanity" ever put at risk by spreading dangerous accusations against people that you cannot actually demonstrate to be true?

It does not seem to me that your belief Israel is intentionally killing children, which appears to be supported only by your profound faith in the infallibility of your guesses, holds up in the court of reason.

I wholeheartedly believe in the concept of state terrorism. You have a problem with that? Do you want me to explain the concept to you?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I wholeheartedly believe in the concept of state terrorism. You have a problem with that? Do you want me to explain the concept to you?

I do not need for you to explain the concept of "state terrorism" to me -- unless you are using the term in an off-beat and uncommon way. But, perhaps you might be able to explain to me what evidence you have that Israel is currently engaged in state terrorism? Do you have any real evidence, or is this just another one of your infallible hunches?
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
State terrorism in effect: Israeli leaflet to the residents of Beit Lahia to leave the suburb until 12:00 and shows them the safest route.

PhQ.jpg
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Dunno but for some reason I get the impression that Israel waits for any thing Palestinians do, no matter how insignificant it is, so they can use it as an excuse to hammer them down with excessive force.

Is it true that the bombing from the Palestinians caused nothing to the Israelis?

I could be wrong tho. All I am is a bystander that watches the media, the media that mostly make fool out of the viewers with their twists.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
From The Times of Israel:
Hamas rejected Egyptian proposal to hold fire

Israel was favorable toward Cairo’s bid last week for a 40-hour truce, to be followed by negotiations for long-term agreement

As part of Egypt’s efforts to halt the fighting between Hamas and Israel, Cairo proposed to the Palestinian organization’s leadership and to the Israeli government that they mutually stop the fire for 40 hours, after which a broader ceasefire agreement would be discussed — but Hamas rejected the offer, The Times of Israel learned from Israeli and Hamas sources.

The offer was presented to the deputy head of the Hamas political bureau, Moussa Abu Marzouk, by Egyptian intelligence officers last week. Abu Marzouk rejected it after a brief consultation with the terror group’s military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam brigades, the sources said.

Israeli officials said they were open to the possibility of stopping the fighting for an agreed-upon period before negotiating the terms of a longer-term truce.

Egypt does not intend to publicly blame Hamas for Cairo’s failure in its efforts to reach a ceasefire, the sources said, but believes the Islamist organization will bear the responsibility for its refusal. The sources said the Egyptian proposal did not include an outline for a long-term truce, but did include various ideas that different officials – European, Egyptian, and others – were discussing with the goal of securing a ceasefire deal.

On Saturday, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said his organization had not been presented with any ceasefire offers: “They didn’t present any plan or outline for a ceasefire,“ he said. According to Abu Zuhri, a temporary truce cannot be discussed so long as the “aggression continues.” …
And so it continues. What a shame … :(
 

Knight of Albion

Well-Known Member
If you occupy other people's land, they are apt to react violently. The Algerians and Vietnamese drove out French colonists who wouldn't negotiate: the Israelis should reflect on that.

That's rather a misinformed stance, David. The Israelites were in the land of Israel for thousands of years until, after the failed Jewish rebellion against Roman oppression, they were enslaved and scattered to the wind as punishment.

The Israelis ARE in their natural homeland.

You conveniently forget that America was stolen by force of arms from the Native Americans; Australia was stolen by force of arms from the Aborigines and Britain was stolen by force of arms from the Celts - and numerous other cases I could cite.
 

Knight of Albion

Well-Known Member
A very sad affair all round. I realise its a chicken and egg scenrio, but either way peace could come immediately if Hamas stopped firing rockets at Israel.

Clearly though there are some with a hidden agenda. Hawks in Israel are itching for the chance to destroy Hamas and hawks in the Palestinian lands are totally determined to derail the peace process because they want annihilation of Israel, seemingly at any price - even to their own people.
 

Knight of Albion

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly believe in the concept of state terrorism. You have a problem with that? Do you want me to explain the concept to you?

A strange statement, Cynthia.

Call it karma or whatever, but its a concept that invariably comes back to bite you.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda etc.

And the Saudis having encouraged their brand of Islam and supported terrorist groups had to rush 30,000 troops to their border with Iraq when ISIS forces were storming south.

Once you let the genie out of the bottle ...
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
Dunno but for some reason I get the impression that Israel waits for any thing Palestinians do, no matter how insignificant it is, so they can use it as an excuse to hammer them down with excessive force.

Is it true that the bombing from the Palestinians caused nothing to the Israelis?

I could be wrong tho. All I am is a bystander that watches the media, the media that mostly make fool out of the viewers with their twists.

Launching hundreds of rockets into populated cities is not insignificant.

Excessive force should be used to stop these terrorists.

If someone breaks into your house with a knife, should the police send one policeman with a knife to make it fair?

No, they should sent a dozen with guns.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Launching hundreds of rockets into populated cities is not insignificant.

Excessive force should be used to stop these terrorists.

If someone breaks into your house with a knife, should the police send one policeman with a knife to make it fair?

No, they should sent a dozen with guns.

I said what I said because of the question in the middle of my last post.

I heard Israeli loses were like zero regardless to the amount of rockets Palestinians launched at them, if some could please confirm it with me.

But I see where I went wrong. I spoke my general thought (I repeat, I could be wrong in it) before I asked the question.

There is also one thing that bothers me. Israeli army has massive land/ground assault force. Why don't they send them instead of remote bombing areas they know has many innocent people? They are already the dominant side on that land. Right now it is theirs.

I agree with you, you are right in you given scenario. I say it again, I'm not sure what's really going on, I'm only talking according to what I hear and see on the media so I can't take it for granted, but it give me impressions.

I'm not taking sides here and I'm not saying for certain that the Palestinian side was not terrorist. I'm a confused bystander like the majority of members here.

Please also don't let my nationality give you the wrong impression about me.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Launching hundreds of rockets into populated cities is not insignificant.

Excessive force should be used to stop these terrorists.

If someone breaks into your house with a knife, should the police send one policeman with a knife to make it fair?

No, they should sent a dozen with guns.
Except the home was stolen from them in the first place.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
A very sad affair all round. I realise its a chicken and egg scenrio, but either way peace could come immediately if Hamas stopped firing rockets at Israel.

Clearly though there are some with a hidden agenda. Hawks in Israel are itching for the chance to destroy Hamas and hawks in the Palestinian lands are totally determined to derail the peace process because they want annihilation of Israel, seemingly at any price - even to their own people.

Load of crap. Israel wouldn't even stop building on Palestinian land. Let alone actually work towards peace.
 
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