Behind the killing of 8 Gazan family members

[MD]

Do you want to see a picture of my aboriginal vagina?

I have nothing more to say to you :sorry1: You bring nothing to the discussion except pakistani hatred.. Im not from pakistan I just didnt like you generalising a whole country in the other thread. just like you spoke on behalf of Afghans, Bengalis, Sikhs, everyone is different. you just butthurt about partition.

Im going to ignore you now..stick a thumb in your bum, will make you feel better. :yes:

I really think you should join ISIS, you would fit in so well. There are a lot of openings for brides, if you actually are a chick.

On the other hand this kind of explains why there are so many Aussies who joined ISIS, messed up country. :yes:

 

[CMike]

Why lose their human shield "the Palestinians" since they already have it? Armies always keep as much defense lines as possible.

You fail to see the point of my posts. I'm not saying that Israel really has the intention to commit a genocide yet you're saying that they, an invading force that already killed so many of the occupied natives, really, for certain and absolutely don't want to do it.

I could be wrong so could you. We both are bystanders here that don't know how politics work, specially invading ones. Well, unless maybe you know all of the Israeli intelligence.

Anyways, I do hope your opinion is right and mine is wrong. All I want is to stop that needless bloodshed. Hmm, I wonder how many times I said that.

I'll tell you what they could do.

They could accept that Israel has a right to exist. They could try to genuinely make peace with Israel.

Israel has been extremely generous in it's offers.

It offered 90% of the land they claim. The palestinians said no. They offered 95%, the palestinians said no.

Israel said they will negotiate anytime, anywhere. The palestinians have continued to set pre-conditions before even negotiating.

The problem is that the palestinian government wants athe other side DEAD.

If they had a change of attitude things would be different.

Actually they weren't an invading force. In the 1967 war Jordan joined with Egypt and Syria against Israel. Jordan entered this war and lost east jerusalem and the west bank.

Without these areas Israel would be 9 miles wide in those locations, making it indefensible with today's technology surrounded by hostile arab countries that want to destroy the entire country simply because it exists.

I do think that Israel should have formerly annexed it as soon as it obtained the land.

4/5 of Jordan is palestine.

Yes there is no call for a palestine state in Jordan.

The reason is simple. It's not about a two state solution. For the arabs it's a one state solution, and that doesn't include Israel.

Israel isn't going to committ sacrifice.

 

[CMike]

I don't care which side you are on, any attack of a civilian population whether it be Palestinian or Israeli is a human rights violation and a war crime. And that's what many of you are doing, you are justifying human rights violations and war crimes no matter which side you are taking.

Yes the Palestinians did fire rockets at Israeli civilian centers, that is a war crimes and a human rights violation.

Yes, the Israelis are attacking in reprisal, targeting civilian residences, schools and medical centers, that is a war crime and a human rights violation.

Please try to justify your justifying of war crimes. I want to see this.

Hamas intentionally operates from hostpitals, schools, and civilian residences. Therefore, they are responsible for any deaths. They are the ones who put their own civilian in harm's way in order to protect their weapons.

 

[Curious_Cat]

I really think you should join ISIS, you would fit in so well. There are a lot of openings for brides, if you actually are a chick.

On the other hand this kind of explains why there are so many Aussies who joined ISIS, messed up country. :yes:

Where have I once showed support for ISIS? I have like 40 posts on here..

You are getting way ahead of yourself.. how do I ignore you so I dont see anymore of your useless posts..

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Hamas intentionally operates from hostpitals, schools, and civilian residences. Therefore, they are responsible for any deaths. They are the ones who put their own civilian in harm's way in order to protect their weapons.

No, the people who target those hospitals, schools and civilian residences are responsible for civilian deaths. Hamas is responsible for firing rockets at Israel, Israel is responsible from bombing Palestinian schools, hospitals and homes. Both are guilty of human rights violations and war crimes.

 

[Flankerl]

Sup CMike!
You know what i like about these threads? You and I are politically entirely different, yet in these threads it all becomes blurred.

I don't care which side you are on, any attack of a civilian population whether it be Palestinian or Israeli is a human rights violation and a war crime. And that's what many of you are doing, you are justifying human rights violations and war crimes no matter which side you are taking.

Yes the Palestinians did fire rockets at Israeli civilian centers, that is a war crimes and a human rights violation.

Yes, the Israelis are attacking in reprisal, targeting civilian residences, schools and medical centers, that is a war crime and a human rights violation.

Please try to justify your justifying of war crimes. I want to see this.

So if there arent any rockets and ammunition in all those houses, where do all the secondary explosions come from?

Do the evil Zionists send some invisible rockets afterwards to make it look like secondary explosions.


Btw storing Rockets etc in civil areas like Schools, Mosques, Houses... is a war crime. Not that you care but it is. And secondary explosions dont just happen because they think its funny to exist. Crazy i know.


When i read your posts i immediately remember the rockets bound for Hezbollah/Hamas/PIJ that were somehow hidden underneath cement inside shipping containers. What a huge coincidence. I wonder how they got there.


Btw you didnt adress what happened in Paris, Casablanca and everywhere else. All nice anti-zionists am i right? They probably wouldnt do anything bad to me if they'd know iam a jew. I feel so safe with those people around. Makes me sleep really good.

No, the people who target those hospitals, schools and civilian residences are responsible for civilian deaths. Hamas is responsible for firing rockets at Israel, Israel is responsible from bombing Palestinian schools, hospitals and homes. Both are guilty of human rights violations and war crimes.

Ah the good old "hey dont shoot back at all!" approach.

Should they also demolish the fence around Gaza? Perhaps even scrap all police officers. I mean we dont want to be inconvenient to the suicide bombers.
Perhaps the Israelis should just form a long queue to Gaza so that they could kill each and everyone one in a nice and orderly manner. They could bring tea too!

Why lose their human shield "the Palestinians" since they already have it? Armies always keep as much defense lines as possible.

You fail to see the point of my posts. I'm not saying that Israel really has the intention to commit a genocide yet you're saying that they, an invading force that already killed so many of the occupied natives, really, for certain and absolutely don't want to do it.

I could be wrong so could you. We both are bystanders here that don't know how politics work, specially invading ones. Well, unless maybe you know all of the Israeli intelligence.

Anyways, I do hope your opinion is right and mine is wrong. All I want is to stop that needless bloodshed. Hmm, I wonder how many times I said that.

Oh i didnt understood it this way. No worries.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Sup CMike!
You know what i like about these threads? You and I are politically entirely different, yet in these threads it all becomes blurred.





So if there arent any rockets and ammunition in all those houses, where do all the secondary explosions come from?

Do the evil Zionists send some invisible rockets afterwards to make it look like secondary explosions.


Btw storing Rockets etc in civil areas like Schools, Mosques, Houses... is a war crime. Not that you care but it is. And secondary explosions dont just happen because they think its funny to exist. Crazy i know.


When i read your posts i immediately remember the rockets bound for Hezbollah/Hamas/PIJ that were somehow hidden underneath cement inside shipping containers. What a huge coincidence. I wonder how they got there.


Btw you didnt adress what happened in Paris, Casablanca and everywhere else. All nice anti-zionists am i right? They probably wouldnt do anything bad to me if they'd know iam a jew. I feel so safe with those people around. Makes me sleep really good.




Ah the good old "hey dont shoot back at all!" approach.

Should they also demolish the fence around Gaza? Perhaps even scrap all police officers. I mean we dont want to be inconvenient to the suicide bombers.
Perhaps the Israelis should just form a long queue to Gaza so that they could kill each and everyone one in a nice and orderly manner. They could bring tea too!





Oh i didnt understood it this way. No worries.

Not all hospital, schools and homes the Israeli's have targeted have had secondary explosions, that seems to indicate that no weapons were store at those locations. Yes I am aware that using human shields and storing weapons in schools, homes and hospitals is a war crime and those who do such things should be brought to justice but still two wrongs do not make a right. I seriously do not know how Israel should respond, but it should not respond by making civilians targets. Not every Palestinian is born with a bulleye on them.

 

[Flankerl]

I seriously do not know how Israel should respond

Well then you should probably more careful with what you write if you dont even have an alternative ready.


And of course there have been secondary explosions all over Gaza. But iam saying that to person who doesnt even believe in the knock on the roof strategy. Let alone phone calls or leaflets.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well then you should probably more careful with what you write if you dont even have an alternative ready.

That's not my job to provide Israel with an alternative, that's Israel's job. All I know is that Israel and Hamas should not target civilians.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

But iam saying that to person who doesnt even believe in the knock on the roof strategy. Let alone phone calls or leaflets.

There is just no proof that this is being done on a wide scale or if people are being given enough time to evacuate at all. In fact I have not seen proof of it being done at all. If you show me proof I will believe you. It still does not exonerate Israel of targeting civilians even if they warn them.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I'll tell you what they could do.

They could accept that Israel has a right to exist. They could try to genuinely make peace with Israel.

That was what I implied before in post #99 in reply to you and in other places I can't locate. Here:

But to be honest, if the Israeli occupants are indeed as nice as some say and they don't really wanna.........
........ then I really really want the Palestinians to stop and accept reality. Israel already claimed the land and became the ruler. Why the needless bloodshed?

Which agrees with your point above.

Everything else you said is controversial and arguable. We, bystanders, don't know what politics think or their true intentions, yet I still mentioned the possibility that yes their intentions are indeed like what you said.

Oh i didnt understood it this way. No worries.

So, um, can we hug?

 

[MD]

SG you are good at diffusing tension, you should consider becoming a diplomat

 

[CMike]

No, the people who target those hospitals, schools and civilian residences are responsible for civilian deaths. Hamas is responsible for firing rockets at Israel, Israel is responsible from bombing Palestinian schools, hospitals and homes. Both are guilty of human rights violations and war crimes.

They are not targeting the hospitals, schools, etc.

They are targeting the Hamas command centers in them.

If a child dies because Hamas intentionally uses that child as a human side the death is solely the responsibility of Hamas.

Israel has a duty to protect it's citizens. What about the rockets shot from these places that the Israeli children have to deal with?

Hamas is SOLELY responsible for the deaths of their human shields.

 

[CMike]

Sup CMike!
You know what i like about these threads? You and I are politically entirely different, yet in these threads it all becomes blurred.





So if there arent any rockets and ammunition in all those houses, where do all the secondary explosions come from?

Do the evil Zionists send some invisible rockets afterwards to make it look like secondary explosions.


Btw storing Rockets etc in civil areas like Schools, Mosques, Houses... is a war crime. Not that you care but it is. And secondary explosions dont just happen because they think its funny to exist. Crazy i know.


When i read your posts i immediately remember the rockets bound for Hezbollah/Hamas/PIJ that were somehow hidden underneath cement inside shipping containers. What a huge coincidence. I wonder how they got there.


Btw you didnt adress what happened in Paris, Casablanca and everywhere else. All nice anti-zionists am i right? They probably wouldnt do anything bad to me if they'd know iam a jew. I feel so safe with those people around. Makes me sleep really good.




Ah the good old "hey dont shoot back at all!" approach.

Should they also demolish the fence around Gaza? Perhaps even scrap all police officers. I mean we dont want to be inconvenient to the suicide bombers.
Perhaps the Israelis should just form a long queue to Gaza so that they could kill each and everyone one in a nice and orderly manner. They could bring tea too!





Oh i didnt understood it this way. No worries.

Extremely well said. :clap:clap

 

[CMike]

Not all hospital, schools and homes the Israeli's have targeted have had secondary explosions, that seems to indicate that no weapons were store at those locations. Yes I am aware that using human shields and storing weapons in schools, homes and hospitals is a war crime and those who do such things should be brought to justice but still two wrongs do not make a right. I seriously do not know how Israel should respond, but it should not respond by making civilians targets. Not every Palestinian is born with a bulleye on them.

Hamas is making them targets, not Israel.

Israel has to do what they have to do to protect their people.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yes the Palestinians did fire rockets at Israeli civilian centers, that is a war crimes and a human rights violation.

Yes, the Israelis are attacking in reprisal, targeting civilian residences, schools and medical centers, that is a war crime and a human rights violation.

And if the civilian residences are simultaneously terrorist launch sites, storage facilities, and command and control centers? Not that you would ever believe such things. You deny all but your antisemitic dreamscape.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

from The Times of Israel:

Israel expected to accept Arab-backed truce

US and Palestinian Authority also support ceasefire terms, but Hamas appears set to refuse the offer
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Israel was poised to accept on Tuesday an Arab League-backed ceasefire deal with Hamas which would go into effect in the evening, Israeli officials indicated Monday night, as the terrorist group signalled that it would refuse the deal.

Israeli media sites quoted diplomatic sources suggesting that Jerusalem was inclining to accept the Egyptian proposal. Earlier, sources told The Times of Israel that “Those proposals are being considered very seriously.”

If the cabinet accepts the ceasefire, it would be doing so despite staunch opposition from many in the Israeli right, including Jewish Home party head Naftali Bennett, who say Israel must deal Hamas a heavy military blow before a truce can be considered.

But as the US, the Arab League and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas all welcomed the ceasefire proposal, Hamas appeared to reject the idea, with spokesman Fawzi Barhum saying the group would not accept a truce without a fully-fledged deal to end hostilities.

“A ceasefire without reaching an agreement is rejected. In times of war, you don’t cease fire and then negotiate,” he told AFP. …

It is now 5:20AM in Israel. Let's see what the day brings.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Similarly, from Haaretz:

LIVE UPDATES: Hamas rejects cease-fire without truce

10 injured after rocket strikes parked car in downtown Eilat; Israel security cabinet to discuss Egypt cease-fire proposal early Tuesday morning; Kerry 'deeply engaged' in discussions with Netanyahu, Abbas, Egyptian officials.​

As Operation Protective Edge enters its second week, a cease-fire initiative spearheaded by Egypt emerged. According to the proposal, a cease-fire would begin Tuesday at 9 A.M. local time.

Israel's security cabinet will meet at 7 A.M. on Tuesday to discuss the proposal. A senior Israeli official said that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accepts the offer and will bring it to a vote. Economy Minister Naftali Bennett will reportedly vote against a cease-fire.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri already rejected the proposal late Monday night on the grounds that "we are still under occupation and resistance is the right of our people."

A rocket struck a parked car in Eilat, marking the first time Eilat was targeted during Operation Protective Edge. 10 were injured by the resulting shrapnel, and 10 were treated for shock.

Since the operation began, 178 Palestinians have been killed and over 1,100 have been wounded. Gaza hospitals are reporting a dire shortage of medicine and equipment, particularly for trauma injuries.

Since the start of the operation, more than 700 rockets have landed within Israel. Only a fraction landed in urban regions. The Iron Dome, which is only meant to intercept rockets that are headed for such areas, has an 87 percent success rate.

Sadly, for Hamas every Gazan casualty is a propaganda victory. Why stop while they're ahead.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is a good deal more to be found at ynetnews.

I'm hopeful for a better tomorrow.

 

[ametist]

Isnt it weird for hamas to create such awful publicity by denying ceasefire despite it seems like it cared a lot about public opinion, advertisement and propaganda even to the degree of causing civilian deaths to make israel look bad?
Each country is free to have as much weapon as they desire.they dont need to hide them from anyone. while palestinian officials are calling for help, probably then hamas is working for israel by hiding those guns in civilian houses and by getting those people killed. You have to give up on one side of the story with such claims.
If there is really a problem with hamas then civilians wouldnt put them into their houses and die for them as you indicated.Hamas attacking israel despite unequal means then it is possible people are not comfortable there and some sort of oppression or lack is going on since people are giving up on their lives with their own choice and not at all because of anything israel intentionall does, as you again claim.
You can find 3 or 4 psychopaths in a small region within 15 days but you cant find 170 of them. If people are really jumping on bombs as claimed something must have bothered those people terribly and it ought to be against human rights to bother people to their deathes.