Being A Homosexual is not a Sin.

[Mycroft]

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that being a homosexual person is a sin that I can find.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)


And so on. The word that pops up the most here is practices.


It doesn't say anywhere that merely being homosexual is a sin against God. But only if you practice it.



In short: God hates the sin, not the sinner.

 

[JayJayDee]

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that being a homosexual person is a sin that I can find.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)


And so on. The word that pops up the most here is practices.


It doesn't say anywhere that merely being homosexual is a sin against God. But only if you practice it.



In short: God hates the sin, not the sinner.

You are absolutely correct. A person cannot always help their sexual orientation...but they can control their sexual behaviour.

For those who make a sacrifice for God...the reward will be great.

 

[Sees]

Even in this light, I think this stuff should be taken as historical, cultural bigotry and not a divine truth.

Especially the use of Leviticus where Christians are concerned. They don't really want to live by the Law, old covenant, whatever...yet still conveniently used to support bigotry and intolerance anyways.

No religious-freedom security blanket for this as far as I'm concerned. It's inherited stupidity. What divine being would abolish sexual acts before slavery? Tribal laws projected on a being or entity not speaking for himself/itself

 

[Quintessence]

In some respects, I think this begs a question: does having a sexual orientation have any meaning if you don't practice it? If you don't actually have sex, isn't it rather irrelevant?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why should modern society respect what a marginal Bronze Age nomadic tribe of sheep herders thought was "sinful" or not? Of course it's not a "sin" because there is no such thing as "sin". It's irrelevant and no one should have to suffer over what a bunch of ignorant religious fanatics jotted down thousands of years ago.

 

[freethinker44]

Matthew 5:28
but I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Homosexual bigotry justified biblically.

The Bible isn't a great moral compass... at all. Even those verses that imply that it is the sin and not the sinner that is hated completely justify the horribly destructive practice of "conversion therapy". So let's give credit where credit is due here and not try rationalize the Bible into being something that it's not, a moral book.

 

[idav]

****** I tell you, in that*night,*******
** there shall be*two men in one bed;***********
**** the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.******
****Two women shall be grinding together;**********
***** the one shall be taken, and the other left.*******
****(Luke 17:34-35, KJV)

 

[Sees]

In some respects, I think this begs a question: does having a sexual orientation have any meaning if you don't practice it? If you don't actually have sex, isn't it rather irrelevant?

I think it is highlighted now to have a modern-ish work around which keeps the "Jesus loves you all" universal aspect. The appearance adapts to the circumstances of power. With less power and influence in societies it is forced to at least slightly adopt some resemblance of normal, healthy tolerance.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In some respects, I think this begs a question: does having a sexual orientation have any meaning if you don't practice it? If you don't actually have sex, isn't it rather irrelevant?

You still have the orientation and the desires but you're repressing it. It's not healthy.

 

[Skwim]

In short: God hates the sin, not the sinner.

And this is just the case here. I don't know how Christians reconcile the scripture you've cited with an acceptance of homosexual behavior, just grateful they do. It makes for a far happier world. Let's hope they preserve this hypocritical approach to the word of god and its gravity.

Of course, if some see it as far from hypocritical then I welcome any explanation.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And this is just the case here. I don't know how Christians reconcile the scripture you've cited with an acceptance of homosexual behavior, just grateful they do. It makes for a far happier world. Let's hope they preserve this hypocritical approach to the word of god and its gravity.

Of course, if some see it as far from hypocritical then I welcome any explanation.

"Hate the sin but love the sinner" = "I hate your natural human behavior, but I still love you! How dare you be a human animal but I still love you, promise!"

It's passive aggressiveness at its "finest".

 

[Mycroft]

Well, if god did make everyone, and can see past and future, everything that has been and will be, he would already have known about adam and eve at the creation of time, already know the serpent would visit eve and invite sin into the world, and, thusly, already know that homosexuality would be a thing. So: why bother?

If I knew for certain that my son was going to be the next Hitler, I would probably decide to take out that extra packet of Durex, no?

I think in the case of America, however, religion is being used as a tool to justifify elitist/totalitarian behaviour (just as it was used on the Germans to turn them agains the Jews) by people who are about as Christian as Satan himself.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

Are we done stoning to death all the women who get married, and turn out to not be Virgins already?
I can never keep track of which sins we ignore, and which we enforce..
Is there some thumb rule I don't know about???

 

[Mycroft]

Are we done stoning to death all the women who get married, and turn out to not be Virgins already?
I can never keep track of which sins we ignore, and which we enforce..
Is there some thumb rule I don't know about???

Or all those who wear mixed fibers. Or eat quail.

 

[Sees]

It really is an attempt to abuse the religious-freedom concept we hold dear. It goes against the whole purpose and spirit of these libertarian concepts we have.

Actions and legislation concerning harming and making life more crappy for certain people should never get religious-freedom protection. In the same manner you can't use it to go around assaulting people even if it is written in scriptures or you believe your God whispered it in your ear.

We shouldn't entertain these things or shy from them.

Well, if god did make everyone, and can see past and future, everything that has been and will be, he would already have known about adam and eve at the creation of time, already know the serpent would visit eve and invite sin into the world, and, thusly, already know that homosexuality would be a thing. So: why bother?

If I knew for certain that my son was going to be the next Hitler, I would probably decide to take out that extra packet of Durex, no?

I think in the case of America, however, religion is being used as a tool to justifify elitist/totalitarian behaviour (just as it was used on the Germans to turn them agains the Jews) by people who are about as Christian as Satan himself.

 

[Quintessence]

You still have the orientation and the desires but you're repressing it. It's not healthy.

I... kind of object to that assessment and the implications it has for virgins or people who choose to abstain from sex for any length of time. That someone chooses not to be promiscuous doesn't mean they're "repressing" something.

 

[LightTraveler]

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that being a homosexual person is a sin that I can find.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)


And so on. The word that pops up the most here is practices.


It doesn't say anywhere that merely being homosexual is a sin against God. But only if you practice it.



In short: God hates the sin, not the sinner.

I think God has much bigger priorities than people having sex with the same gender. There are utterly atrocious things happening in the world such as rape, pedophelia, Satanic ritual sacrifice, poverty, war, cruelty to animals, pathological conspiracy denial, worship of money, racism and the hypocrisy that goes with it, etc. Does God really care if a man practices monogamous love with another man, or a woman with a woman? Something tells me those biblical passages were inspired by human bias, not by the all-pervasive Creatrix of the universe. I'm a gay male, but I've become a born again virgin so I can more closely practice my spirituality, not because I'm afraid of being damned. The latter is such an antiquated notion. Besides....God created homosexuality for a purpose that we cannot yet understand. The animal kingdom is part of that plan.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Hating the sin not the sinner is just a veil for bigotry.

Psychologically is very very unlikely anyone can hate the actions of a person without subscribing hate to the person who performed them.

In short, grow up.

 

[rusra02]

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that being a homosexual person is a sin that I can find.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)


And so on. The word that pops up the most here is practices.


It doesn't say anywhere that merely being homosexual is a sin against God. But only if you practice it.
In short: God hates the sin, not the sinner.

I agree. As 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 says "Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." So I believe persons who formerly were thieve, drunkards, etc., and those who practiced homosexuality can have God's approval if they accept his help to change and stop the bad practices.

 

[rusra02]

Why should modern society respect what a marginal Bronze Age nomadic tribe of sheep herders thought was "sinful" or not? Of course it's not a "sin" because there is no such thing as "sin". It's irrelevant and no one should have to suffer over what a bunch of ignorant religious fanatics jotted down thousands of years ago.

Just curious. Have you ever read the Entire Bible? Your description of the Bible being written by a nomadic tribe of sheep herders is most inaccurate. Nor were they ignorant religious fanatics. The Bible claims to be "inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, *so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." I think such a claim should be investigated with an open mind.