Being A Homosexual is not a Sin.

[AmbiguousGuy]

Hating the sin not the sinner is just a veil for bigotry.

Psychologically is very very unlikely anyone can hate the actions of a person without subscribing hate to the person who performed them.

Yep. Black people can't help being black, but they can help their behavior of marrying our white women!

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Yep. Black people can't help being black, but they can help their behavior of marrying our white women!

Or bleaching themselves. Obviously Jackson came out perfectly healthy.

Hell, why don't we just advocate total castration of non-heterosexuals? Obviously their very genitalia are an affront to God.

 

[rusra02]

Homosexual bigotry justified biblically.

The Bible isn't a great moral compass... at all. Even those verses that imply that it is the sin and not the sinner that is hated completely justify the horribly destructive practice of "conversion therapy". So let's give credit where credit is due here and not try rationalize the Bible into being something that it's not, a moral book.

It's no more bigotry to condemn homosexual practices then it is to condemn thievery or adultery. I believe these precepts come from our Creator, and cannot be ignored with impunity. You may rail against the law of gravity, but that won't prevent it's enforcement. I believe the sanctions against breaking God's moral laws are just as inevitable.(Galatians 6:7,8)

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Hell, why don't we just advocate total castration of non-heterosexuals? Obviously their very genitalia are an affront to God.

Sometimes I worry about the Biblical God. Why is He so obsessed with sex?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

It's no more bigotry to condemn homosexual practices then it is to condemn thievery or adultery.

Thievery hurts other people. But it can be a moral act at times. When the zombies attack or the volcano explodes, we are allowed to enter Walmart warehouses and steal food.

Adultery is only wrong if the other partner objects and is hurt by it.

Homosexuality hurts no one.

 

[Sees]

If only it would have been the law against a wife seizing her husband's enemy by the testicles that made into into the Epistles instead... Seriously, how much better would that have been? Paul and the apostles knew which ones to keep I guess.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

If only it would have been the law against a wife seizing her husband's enemy by the testicles that made into into the Epistles instead... Seriously, how much better would that have been? Paul and the apostles knew which ones to keep I guess.

Well, homosexuality was rather common in Greece and Rome...so maybe testicle-squeezing was common in the ancient Middle East?

 

[Sees]

Well, homosexuality was rather common in Greece and Rome...so maybe testicle-squeezing was common in the ancient Middle East?

Not that rare currently, male on male, so I don't doubt it

I often ponder if that is why there was/is such a tabboo concerning homosexuality in Abrahamic traditions.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Not that rare currently, male on male, so I don't doubt it

I often ponder if that is why there was/is such a tabboo concerning homosexuality in Abrahamic traditions.

Or maybe they (like many current Abrahamics) didn't understand that homosexuality is in no way a threat to the survival of humanity.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I often ponder if that is why there was/is such a tabboo concerning homosexuality in Abrahamic traditions.

The ick-factor, I'd guess. It even affects me, but I just try not to visualize men having sex together.

 

[LightTraveler]

The ick-factor, I'd guess. It even affects me, but I just try not to visualize men having sex together.

Exactly. It' s not for you, so there's no need to visualize it. But people cross a boundary when they apply their own "ick factor" to the Divine, who is unknowable while we're on earth.

 

[LightTraveler]

Yep. Black people can't help being black, but they can help their behavior of marrying our white women!

LOL, you're joking right? Do you really hold such an obsolete view of the human race?

 

[LightTraveler]

It's no more bigotry to condemn homosexual practices then it is to condemn thievery or adultery. I believe these precepts come from our Creator, and cannot be ignored with impunity. You may rail against the law of gravity, but that won't prevent it's enforcement. I believe the sanctions against breaking God's moral laws are just as inevitable.(Galatians 6:7,8)

According to your words, you don't even know what God's moral laws are. To equate homosexuality with thievery is ludicrous. The verses in the bible were additions made by those who share the same views as yourself. They commit a grave sin by claiming that it's God's laws. Ambiguous guy said it all with the "ick factor". God is above such primitive thoughts.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

LOL, you're joking right? Do you really hold such an obsolete view of the human race?

I would allow my daughter to marry a troglodyte.

But he couldn't come to family dinners unless he agreed to wear a shirt or at least shave his chest hair.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

It's no more bigotry to condemn homosexual practices then it is to condemn thievery or adultery.

Is there a thread dedicated to memorializing extremely stupid posts?

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Sometimes I worry about the Biblical God. Why is He so obsessed with sex?

Because he's not getting any; this is almost always the case with someone who is worried about the sex OTHER people are having.

 

[nazz]

There is nowhere in the Bible that says that being a homosexual person is a sin that I can find.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." (NLT)

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense." (NLT)

Judges 19:16-24
"You are welcome to stay with me," the old man said. "I will give you anything you might need. But whatever you do, don't spend the night in the square." So he took them home with him and fed the donkeys. After they washed their feet, they ate and drank together. While they were enjoying themselves, a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him." The old man stepped outside to talk to them. "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is a guest in my house, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, and you can abuse them and do whatever you like. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man." (NLT)


1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NLT)

The word "homosexuality" is not even found in the Bible anywhere. Not even the concept by another name. These are poor translations with an agenda.

 

[nazz]

And this is just the case here. I don't know how Christians reconcile the scripture you've cited with an acceptance of homosexual behavior, just grateful they do. It makes for a far happier world. Let's hope they preserve this hypocritical approach to the word of god and its gravity.

Of course, if some see it as far from hypocritical then I welcome any explanation.

Well I don't know if I qualify as I don't regard the Bible as the word of God but I'm willing to have a go at this. First off, even in the Bible, we are taught not to judge others. This is especially true of those outside the Christian community (1Cr 5:1-3).

Although we are also cautioned not to judge our brothers or sisters but to consider our own shortcomings first and to esteem others as better than ourselves (Phl 2:3). Yet some allowance is made (by Paul anyway) to put people out of the community who willfully engage in sinful behavior.

Second the vast majority of Christians don't even understand what is really being condemned in the OT (hint: it is NOT homosexuality). Rather it is two things: the ancient practice of raping strangers and enemies as a means to humiliate them and engaging in sexual practices as a means of worship.

Third, Christians take on special obligations in following Christ that don't apply to other people. Just as we would not expect non-Christians to love their enemies or turn the other cheek we can't expect them to follow our rules of sexual behavior either. The NT describes the ideal state of a Christian as being completely celibate. Marriage is only a concession for those not strong enough to undertake such a commitment.

Fourth, from a purely Gnostic pov, all sexual desire is a distraction that binds us to material existence. There is no form of it better than any other.

 

[rusra02]

Thievery hurts other people. But it can be a moral act at times. When the zombies attack or the volcano explodes, we are allowed to enter Walmart warehouses and steal food.

Adultery is only wrong if the other partner objects and is hurt by it.

Homosexuality hurts no one.

Well, God doesn't agree with you, and I believe God decides who receives everlasting life or everlasting destruction. (Matthew 25:46)

 

[Enai de a lukal]

Well, God doesn't agree with you

A. You have no way of knowing what God thinks. A document written by men living thousands of years ago, which records their own cultural and social norms, does not divulge any information about God's opinions on the matter.

B. There is no such thing as a god, so the point is moot to begin with.

C. EVEN IF THERE WAS such a thing as a god, and EVEN IF this god was a bigot and had decreed that being (born a) homosexual is sinful, then WE WOULD HAVE NO REASON to obey the god's whims at all, as this entity is clearly morally deficient, and should be opposed, not obeyed.