yourgraceisenough
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question, what scripture supports the idea Jesus returned invisibly to earth in 1914...
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Belief of Jehovah's Witnesses?
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question, what scripture supports the idea Jesus returned invisibly to earth in 1914...
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That of course, is a really big NO!
Matthew 24
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Acts 1
7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;---Scripture Quotations Taken from the NASB
The Jehovah Witnesses...first said that Christ Returned in 1874!
You will know when Christ returns. His return will be very visible. He will return in majesty and power, after the Rapture [How Signs Of The Times Relate To The Rapture And The Second Coming ]it won't be hidden.
If you have questions about the Questions about the End Times here is a whole bunch of short monographs on that topic (which will end being quite a bit of reading if you read them all!
No, it seems that off-springs of Seventh-day Adventism have had a fallacious idea about the end times. I don't know if that other famous off-shoot, (No, in this case I'm not talking about the Branch Davidians, though they of course had an end time scenario also) but Urantia. Members of this group can tell of us if they have an end time scenario. Character of the Cults | Bible.org - Worlds Largest Bible Study Site of course this is basically what conservative Baptists think, so of course one should welcome the opinions of these groups that conservative Baptists take askance with, and why the disagree with us on that.
http://withchrist.org/urantia.htm
Yes, but the JWs seem to have a lot more right than any other religion I've found.
Big stuff... like no trinity, no hell and, oh, by the way... Gods' NAME.....
yourgraceisenough
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You mean Yahweh of course.
What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton? "Jehovah" is a contrivance from medieval times.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
You mean Yahweh of course.
"Jehovah" is a contrivance from medieval times.
so is Jesus and every other anglicized name in the hebrew and greek scriptures
I never could quite figure out how they got to 'Eve".so is Jesus and every other anglicized name in the hebrew and greek scriptures
From the DSS
Correction, Isaiah Chapter 2 : Verse 2
And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of HaShem'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Hashem = Lord
I once asked a visiting JW. What is the name of your Dad, he said Archibald, I asked if he calls him Archibald, he said no I call him Dad, so why would you call God by his name instead of Lord, Father, funny thing I stopped getting visits which I enjoyed getting.
Correction, Isaiah Chapter 2 : Verse 2
And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of HaShem'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Hashem = Lord
I once asked a visiting JW. What is the name of your Dad, he said Archibald, I asked if he calls him Archibald, he said no I call him Dad, so why would you call God by his name instead of Lord, Father, funny thing I stopped getting visits which I enjoyed getting.
If you believe in the trinity, though, and call Jesus- "Jesus", instead of "God", aren't you doing the same thing??
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i think (and im not 100%) that the greek form of the hebrew name Chaw‧wah′
is Zoe and when that translates into latin it becomes Heva and into english it becomes Eve
so is Jesus and every other anglicized name in the hebrew and greek scriptures
If His name was Yeshua, why do we call Him Jesus? However, Jehovah, is a very mangled form of what God's name should be. Yahweh, is the best one can get to it, and if you are going to use God's name, q.v., What is YHWH? What is the tetragrammaton? Accurate Bibles (and the NWT is definitely not one of them!) will use Yahweh, or even more prominent LORD for God's name. Now at least that has an accurate designation. Jehovah doesn't designate anything correctly. Actually, Jesus is the equivalent to Joshua, when it comes to that. (See the first reference).
So, if you are going to anglicize use LORD for Jehovah. (YHWH would be fine with me also.) Perhaps it just as well the Jehovah Witnesses (See The Jehovah Witness Section of this Southern Baptist site), because if they use an accurate reference to the God, they would be blaspheming His name wouldn't they? (that's a rhetorical question.
)The four letters of the Tetragrammaton is: Iod, He, Vau, He
It was Not first-century Christians [early disciples] that replaced the Tetragrammaton with Kyrios or Theos in the Septuagint. Persons after the first century ended did that when the foretold apostasy developed. Luke forewarned wolf-like clergy dressed in sheep's clothing would fleece the flock of God at Acts 20vs29,30. Also 2nd Thess 2vs2-8; 1st Tim 4v1.
The codex Leningrad B 19a has the Tetragrammaton as Yehwah', Yehwih' and Yehowah.
Although Hebrew scholars favor Yahweh as a likely pronunciation others favor Yahuwa, Yahuah, or even Yehuah.
One Jewish professor mentioned to me a favoring of three syllables.
That would favor Ye.ho.wah.
Also in the Hebrew spelling of names such as Jehoshaphat, Joshaphat, Shepatiah contain forms of Yehoh, Yoh, Yah, and Ya'hu.
Even in the Greek, Iaoue and Iabe pronounced in Greek resemble Yahweh.
We do not generally use the Hebrew for Jeremiah [ Yirmeyah] or Isaiah [ Yeshayahu].
We do not generally use Yehoshua the Hebrew for Jesus, or Iesous the Greek for Jesus.
Jesus name corresponding to the Hebrew in English means: Jehovah is salvation.
Please notice KJV at Psalm 110v1. There are two [2] LORD/Lord's mentioned.
Where LORD is in all uppercase letters is where the Tetragrammaton stood.
Lord [not in all capital letters] is in reference to Jesus not the Tetragrammaton.
It was Not first-century Christians [early disciples] that replaced the Tetragrammaton with Kyrios or Theos in the Septuagint. Persons after the first century ended did that when the foretold apostasy developed. Luke forewarned wolf-like clergy dressed in sheep's clothing would fleece the flock of God at Acts 20vs29,30. Also 2nd Thess 2vs2-8; 1st Tim 4v1.
The codex Leningrad B 19a has the Tetragrammaton as Yehwah', Yehwih' and Yehowah.
Although Hebrew scholars favor Yahweh as a likely pronunciation others favor Yahuwa, Yahuah, or even Yehuah.
One Jewish professor mentioned to me a favoring of three syllables.
That would favor Ye.ho.wah.
Also in the Hebrew spelling of names such as Jehoshaphat, Joshaphat, Shepatiah contain forms of Yehoh, Yoh, Yah, and Ya'hu.
Even in the Greek, Iaoue and Iabe pronounced in Greek resemble Yahweh.
We do not generally use the Hebrew for Jeremiah [ Yirmeyah] or Isaiah [ Yeshayahu].
We do not generally use Yehoshua the Hebrew for Jesus, or Iesous the Greek for Jesus.
Jesus name corresponding to the Hebrew in English means: Jehovah is salvation.
Please notice KJV at Psalm 110v1. There are two [2] LORD/Lord's mentioned.
Where LORD is in all uppercase letters is where the Tetragrammaton stood.
Lord [not in all capital letters] is in reference to Jesus not the Tetragrammaton.
Who did doubting Thomas hear Jesus pray to ?
Before Thomas spoke at John [20v28] please notice the earlier verse 17 because there Jesus mentions: I ascend to my Father and your Father,
to my God and your God.
Would queen Elizabeth find it odd if her husband said Hello Elizabeth ?
Since Jesus apostles were considered as his 'brothers' [spiritually speaking]
then would it be odd for brothers to call each other by their first name ?
Whose name did Jesus manifest in prayer according to John 17vs 6, 11,26 ?
I gather you call your father as father or dad ?
What do other people call or address your father ?
Do they all also call him dad ?
In Jesus last recorded prayer at John [17vs6,11,12,26] please notice that Jesus said he manifested his Father's name to others. Name, Not titles such as Father or LORD. In verse 26 Jesus says he declared his Father's name and will declare it.......
There are two [2] LORD/Lord's mentioned at Psalm 110v1 in KJV.
To tell the two different ones apart KJV put YHWH in all capitals as: LORD.
And to refer to Jesus they used three lower case letters in: Lord.
For about 7,000 times 'Lord' in the Hebrew OT Scriptures would be referring to the Tetragrammaton [YHWH] or God's personal name.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
anybody can be called lord. Jesus is called lord, King David is called lord, Abraham is called lord
the reason is because it is merely a title...it is not a 'name'
(YHWH would be fine with me also.) Perhaps it just as well the Jehovah Witnesses (See The Jehovah Witness Section of this Southern Baptist site), because if they use an accurate reference to the God, they would be blaspheming His name wouldn't they? (that's a rhetorical question.
to blaspheme is the equivalent of speaking abusively of someone. Im sure you dont think that simply by pronouncing someones name wrong it is equivalent to being abusive toward them
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What does that have to do with the Name Jehovah ? But
When Jesus prayed he used Father, My Lord and my God, never by name Jehovah
Would queen Elizabeth find it odd if her husband said Hello Elizabeth
This is appropriate for the fact they are husband and wife, now regard her children they would never call her Elizabeth.
Majikthise
nude
Their requirement to mission is ridiculously excessive.
My wife's family is about half JW. Her brother and her uncle are church elders.
I used to see her brother's family quite often until they found out ( after years of getting along great) that I was an atheist.
After a couple of mild attempts at bringing me around they stopped coming by as often and now we haven't heard from them in months. It's really sad when you can loose family closeness due to your religions dogma. :sad:
My wifes aunt wasn't even supposed to talk to her son because he left the church.
Better to be JW than nothing at all? I have friends of many faiths whose company I cherish and nothing can change that.
Think again.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Whats makes you think that he never used the divine name? that is debatable because Jesus said
“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. . . . I have made your name known to them and will make it known.” John 17:6, 26.
Jesus also included the sanctification of Gods 'name' when teaching his disciples how to pray in the 'our father' prayer
"hallowed by thy name"
So do you think its reasonable to conclude that Jesus did not use Gods name? You must remember that he was a Jew who could read from the hebrew manuscripts....and those manuscripts STILL have the divine name in them. think about it, if the prophets of old times could use Gods name, why would Jesus, the Son of God not use his name?
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