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Believers should not feel intimidated by so called experts on religion

firedragon

Veteran Member
I pray to God just like other believers if that’s what you mean.

No no. Of course you must be praying to God.

I was asking about your source of knowledge since you said you learn from God.

Nevermind. So you said all scriptures are Gods true word. SO my question is, is something like the long ending of Mark which is known to be a latter addition considered by you as Gods word?

You said that you had studied the Tipitaka, Hindu scripture, Qur'an, Bible etc etc in-depth.

Is the whole of the Tipitaka considered God's true word?
 

Martin

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If your beliefs are fragile, then don't expose them to conflicting views.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
If your beliefs are fragile, then don't expose them to conflicting views.
Not sure if this was to me :) but my personal belief and the practice i do through sufism only make me stronger, the one i truly listen to of humans is my teacher. What non sufis says is not that important to me.
But, some Atheists and some believers are still like a annoying itch......and even I should not react to it, I still do. So more to understand and more to reslise.
 

Martin

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Not sure if this was to me :) but my personal belief and the practice i do through sufism only make me stronger, the one i truly listen to of humans is my teacher. What non sufis says is not that important to me.
But, some Atheists and some believers are still like a annoying itch......and even I should not react to it, I still do. So more to understand and more to reslise.

It wasn't aimed at you. My point was that it's not practical to isolate yourself from conflicting views.
And sometimes the truth has a way of niggling it's way into your consciousness, whether you want it to or not. Feeling uncomfortable isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It wasn't aimed at you. My point was that it's not practical to isolate yourself from conflicting views.
And sometimes the truth has a way of niggling it's way into your consciousness, whether you want it to or not. Feeling uncomfortable isn't necessarily a bad thing.
This is very true :)
 

ACEofALLaces

Active Member
Premium Member
A religious person who hold a personal belief in any religion or spiritual teaching, has no reason to feel intimidated by a socalled expert on religion....there is not one answer fits all when it comes to spiritual practice.

An expert has an opinion, thats all.
Let them have their opinion, and the best part, just leave them alone :)
They try to tell you "you don't know your own personal belief" :D that is hilerious.
I am NEW to this thread....keep that in mind as I become more "adjusted" to what's being and has been said.
My response right now, would be to ask a question TO your question...and that is HOW can a person ever become an "expert" in ANYTHING, if all they have is their own personal opinion to go on?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I am NEW to this thread....keep that in mind as I become more "adjusted" to what's being and has been said.
My response right now, would be to ask a question TO your question...and that is HOW can a person ever become an "expert" in ANYTHING, if all they have is their own personal opinion to go on?
Spiritual practice is not an opinion:) it is wisdom arising from within when one practice the teaching in the Spiritual practice/religion one follow. And the Spiritual teaching becomes the only thing that is important in life. The other aspects of life is just experience that we go through.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
No no. Of course you must be praying to God.

I was asking about your source of knowledge since you said you learn from God.

Nevermind. So you said all scriptures are Gods true word. SO my question is, is something like the long ending of Mark which is known to be a latter addition considered by you as Gods word?

You said that you had studied the Tipitaka, Hindu scripture, Qur'an, Bible etc etc in-depth.

Is the whole of the Tipitaka considered God's true word?

If it agrees with authenticated and authoritative scripture it is true. We cannot definitely authenticate scriptures the further we go back in history so we need to use a benchmark such as the Quran to determine truth from falsehood. But we cannot say with absolute certainty that ancient texts are all Divine Revelation.

The spiritual teachings such as the virtues are all in harmony with the Word of God no matter which religion so we can accept them all.
 

ACEofALLaces

Active Member
Premium Member
Spiritual practice is not an opinion:) it is wisdom arising from within when one practice the teaching in the Spiritual practice/religion one follow. And the Spiritual teaching becomes the only thing that is important in life. The other aspects of life is just experience that we go through.
However, one CAN have an "opinion" ON the wisdom purportedly gained FROM their "spiritual practices", can't they?.....though I do realize that, in and of itself, does not make that person an "EXPERT".
To become an expert, one needs some OBjectiveness to their 'spiritual practices, otherwise all they are really doing is mouthing the words while waving their hands around.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
However, one CAN have an "opinion" ON the wisdom purportedly gained FROM their "spiritual practices", can't they?.....though I do realize that, in and of itself, does not make that person an "EXPERT".
To become an expert, one needs some OBjectiveness to their 'spiritual practices, otherwise all they are really doing is mouthing the words while waving their hands around.
To use a term from Buddhism.
Only when someone has realised enlightenment could one say that person has become an "spiritual expert" but it is not nessesary to use the word expert. Because no human will attain the exact same wisdom when they practice a spiritual teaching.

Expert is just used as a word in this physical world by those who are scholars.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If it agrees with authenticated and authoritative scripture it is true. We cannot definitely authenticate scriptures the further we go back in history so we need to use a benchmark such as the Quran to determine truth from falsehood. But we cannot say with absolute certainty that ancient texts are all Divine Revelation.

Didnt you say that they are all Gods word?
 

ACEofALLaces

Active Member
Premium Member
If it agrees with authenticated and authoritative scripture it is true. We cannot definitely authenticate scriptures the further we go back in history so we need to use a benchmark such as the Quran to determine truth from falsehood. But we cannot say with absolute certainty that ancient texts are all Divine Revelation.

The spiritual teachings such as the virtues are all in harmony with the Word of God no matter which religion so we can accept them all.
Apologize for the intrusion......but I need to ask why you feel/believe that the Quran is any more "authentic" than any OTHER scripture, supposedly being the actual WORDS of God? How does one go about authenticating such a thing?
If we CANNOT say with absolute certainty that ancient texts are all Divine Revelation, why do so many go and treat them as if their WERE Divine Revelation?
 
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