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Ben Sasse to Trump: Are you 'recanting' oath to protect the First Amendment?

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
While I too am horrified at the thought of our President advocating broadcast licenses being revoked from news stations disseminating what he considers "fake news", how does this differ from calls on the Left to have Fox's news status stripped away?
Where did you run across the latter?
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Where did you run across the latter?
Who said this?

My liberal sensibilities absolutely require that I auto-condem any public figure who says this.

I'd really like to know.
Ahhh!

Not any public figure. More like general grumbling among liberals. I haven't even been able to find much online to substantiate. There was the whole "Canada revoked Fox News' designation as news and they have to label themselves as entertainment" thing that a lot of people saw as positive. There was one group called "CREW" that actually advocated for revoking their license. That's about all I got.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Ahhh!

Not any public figure. More like general grumbling among liberals. I haven't even been able to find much online to substantiate. There was the whole "Canada revoked Fox News' designation as news and they have to label themselves as entertainment" thing that a lot of people saw as positive. There was one group called "CREW" that actually advocated for revoking their license. That's about all I got.
Thanks for the link as this is the first I've run across that.

BTW, it would stand a snowball's chance in hell here in the States to get passed since major networks like Fox do not have a license-- only local affiliates do.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Just out of curiosity, why are some good examples of media outlets you trust and believe are honest?

I'd love to know where you draw information to produce these conclusions. Thanks!

Independent journalist. Tim Pool is an example I used in another thread. I don't trust corporate media.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
It passes the time. :)

You should get Liberals to watch paint dry. Maybe remind them that White Paint is offensive and racist for erasing darker colours under a shinny matt finish of White Guilt.

#BlackPaintmatters :D

 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Freespeech does not cover libel or slander though.
Obviously Trump has not been libeled or slandered according to the actual malice standard that applies to public figures. But if he were slandered or libeled, the proper course would be, exactly as @Laika said, to sue, not threaten to revoke a media's company's license (which is not grounds for revoking an FCC licence anyway).
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Obviously Trump has not been libeled or slandered according to the actual malice standard that applies to public figures. But if he were slandered or libeled, the proper course would be, exactly as @Laika said, to sue, not threaten to revoke a media's company's license (which is not grounds for revoking an FCC licence anyway).

Oh ok so it's ok for them to chastise Trump, but he is not allowed to chastise them back. Got ya.

Their license is at stake if they are purposefully misleading people with false information. Which they have been, otherwise Trump would be impeached already.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Oh ok so it's ok for them to chastise Trump, but he is not allowed to chastise them back. Got ya.

Their license is at stake if they are purposefully misleading people with false information. Which they have been, otherwise Trump would be impeached already.
Obviously you didn't comprehend anything in my post.

Be sure to quote all the "chastisements" you're referring to. For the President to advocate the a media company's operating license be revoked merely because it reported something he didn't like is not a "chastisement".
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I am not a journalist. :rolleyes:
Do you know what "cop-out" implies?

Again, you complain but have nothing to offer, thus your actions amount to just you trolling. And it appears that pretty much no one, including moi, is taking you seriously because even a two-year old can whine and say "fake news".

Again, maybe try and be constructive and not just destructive. Of these two options, which one do you think Jesus would more want you to do? Oh wait-- you voted for and still support Trump. No need to answer the question.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Do you know what "cop-out" implies?

Again, maybe try and be constructive and not just destructive. Of these two options, which one do you think Jesus would more want you to do? Oh wait-- you voted for and still support Trump. No need to answer the question.

I do. I am not a journalist. I can tell the difference between a real journalist and someone pretending though. Vanity Fair is does not have any journalistic integrity. They are basically a celebrity gossip/fashion rag. Fluff all the way.

Actually I didn't vote for Trump. I dislike him as much as I did Bernie and Hillary. They all trash imho. But Trump won, he is the president, he deserves the same fair opportunity to govern just as I gave Obama, even though I didn't like him either.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
There was the whole "Canada revoked Fox News' designation as news and they have to label themselves as entertainment" thing that a lot of people saw as positive.
Are you talking about people's opinions on a made-up story? Fox News had one application for Canadian licensure rejected, but not because it wasn't considered "news:"

CRTC approves Fox News for Canada

Fox News got its license on its second attempt and has been carried by Canadian cable companies since then.

There was one group called "CREW" that actually advocated for revoking their license. That's about all I got.
And even that group seems to be focused on illegal activity by Murdoch's companies, not the accuracy of Fox News' reporting.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Are you talking about people's opinions on a made-up story? Fox News had one application for Canadian licensure rejected, but not because it wasn't considered "news:"

CRTC approves Fox News for Canada

Fox News got its license on its second attempt and has been carried by Canadian cable companies since then.
The fact that the story turned out to be false was besides the point. The point was that liberals liked the idea.

And even that group seems to be focused on illegal activity by Murdoch's companies, not the accuracy of Fox News' reporting.
Ok. I already stated that I wasn't finding much evidence. Which makes sense-- it never was a movement, just a general sentiment.

I'm really not understanding the backlash here. Do people really not recall liberals ever saying that Fox News should lose its status as news, due to their numurerous and egregious tendencies to spread false stories or misinformation?
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Thanks for the link as this is the first I've run across that.

BTW, it would stand a snowball's chance in hell here in the States to get passed since major networks like Fox do not have a license-- only local affiliates do.
Right, that's what makes Trump's tweet even more ridiculous. He doesn't know how any of this even works!
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I'm really not understanding the backlash here. Do people really not recall liberals ever saying that Fox News should lose its status as news, due to their numurerous and egregious tendencies to spread false stories or misinformation?
I think I remember one of my Facebook friends saying this... and he's pretty far out on a bunch of issues. I never heard the suggestion from anyone in the media.
 
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