Ben Sasse to Trump: Are you 'recanting' oath to protect the First Amendment?

[Willamena]

When Republicans start asking this question as in this case, it's quite something. And I'm referencing the Washington Examiner.

Is that fake news or real news? I keep getting them mixed up.

 

[sun rise]

Is that fake news or real news? I keep getting them mixed up.

Sen Sasse has not liked Trump for a while. What is different is that he's speaking up (and getting into a fight). This is a change from "we don't like him but if he's on board with our policy, then we'll STFU about him". Now it's more like "we're not going to get much done and we hate him and are ready to fight Bannon" so the gloves are coming off.

 

[Nous]

Sen Sasse has not liked Trump for a while. What is different is that he's speaking up (and getting into a fight). This is a change from "we don't like him but if he's on board with our policy, then we'll STFU about him". Now it's more like "we're not going to get much done and we hate him and are ready to fight Bannon" so the gloves are coming off.

Yes, watching the Republicans turn on Trump is delicious.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Question.

How does Trump chastising the media equate to him attacking the 1st amendment?

It's the part about threatening to revoke their broadcasting licences that is concerning.

 

[Enoch07]

It's the part about threatening to revoke their broadcasting licences that is concerning.

They lie constantly so they should be investigated. It is negligent at best and malicious at worst.

 

[metis]

Yes, watching the Republicans turn on Trump is delicious.

And wait when the fallout dealing with Trump's e.o. on health care finally kicks in and people begin losing their insurance en masse while so many others watch their premiums soar even higher. The CBO analysis is quite telling, and my guess-- and I think it's a good one-- is that as this unravels that Trump and his Trumpettes will continue to blame Obama for it all.

Are you gonna bet against me?

 

[Nous]

And wait when the fallout dealing with Trump's e.o. on health care finally kicks in and people begin losing their insurance en masse while so many others watch their premiums soar even higher. The CBO analysis is quite telling, and my guess-- and I think it's a good one-- is that as this unravels that Trump and his Trumpettes will continue to blame Obama for it all.

Yeah, that move on the subsidies was basically a repeal-without-replace (of a large portion of the ACA, for the poorest of the poor). I don't think that's going to be really popular among the opioid addicts in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump.

 

[Underhill]

While I too am horrified at the thought of our President advocating broadcast licenses being revoked from news stations disseminating what he considers "fake news", how does this differ from calls on the Left to have Fox's news status stripped away?

I understand having the President advocate for such is much worse than average joe Liberal. But is the principal the same?

First of all, Fox News has no status. They are a cable news network. What status would be taken away?

Second, the left dislikes Fox News for obvious reasons. But Obama would have never dreamed of taking their license away, in spite of their constant, and often unfair, treatment of the president.

I find the absurdity of the current situation mind boggling. People seem to have a very short memory.

 

[The magical volleyball]

Oh ok so it's ok for them to chastise Trump, but he is not allowed to chastise them back. Got ya.

Their license is at stake if they are purposefully misleading people with false information. Which they have been, otherwise Trump would be impeached already.

If Trump gets impeached will you still believe it's all fake news? The Mueller investigation and congressional investigations are still going on. No conclusions one way or the other have been given yet.

How do you know that what's in the MSM is false?

Do you trust what trump and the people whose jobs rely on keeping him happy Tell you?

 

[Enoch07]

If Trump gets impeached will you still believe it's all fake news? The Mueller investigation and congressional investigations are still going on. No conclusions one way or the other have been given yet.

How do you know that what's in the MSM is false?

Do you trust what trump and the people whose jobs rely on keeping him happy Tell you?

The Mueller investigation is hogwash. It's a 4 Chan troll from 11 months ago. It has no basis in reality. It is the figment of imagination. A collaboration of internet trolls filling in different parts of the story together for the lulz. You guys ate it up hook, line and sinker. And now refuse to let go of it because it is your last strand of hope, which only makes it all the more funny.

 

[The magical volleyball]

The Mueller investigation is hogwash. It's a 4 Chan troll from 11 months ago. It has no basis in reality. It is the figment of imagination. A collaboration of internet trolls filling in different parts of the story together for the lulz. You guys ate it up hook, line and sinker. And now refuse to let go of it because it is your last strand of hope, which only makes it all the more funny.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...mMAA&usg=AOvVaw3F4saOZnC3iORrbs9q4vkt&ampcf=1

Even fox news can at least admit the Mueller investigation is a real ongoing criminal investigation.
What you just posted sounded like something I would expect Alex Jones to say.

 

[Enoch07]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...mMAA&usg=AOvVaw3F4saOZnC3iORrbs9q4vkt&ampcf=1

Even fox news can at least admit the Mueller investigation is a real ongoing criminal investigation.
What you just posted sounded like something I would expect Alex Jones to say.

You misunderstand. It is a real investigation. But the information being investigated is false information. Information made up by 4 Chan to troll gullible liberals.

 

[The magical volleyball]

You misunderstand. It is a real investigation. But the information being investigated is false information. Information made up by 4 Chan to troll gullible liberals.

What information being investigated has been proven to be false? The dossier put together by Michael steele has been largely proven accurate, not everything has been proven true as of yet but nothing in there has been outright disproved. These charges made against a sitting president are serious and deserve to be treated seriously. Especially when you consider the fact that this president actively tried to obstruct the investigation by firing the former attorney General and the fbi director. Can you cite some of the sources that are informing you that Mueller is investigating made up facts or is this just your personal opinion?

 

[Enoch07]

What information being investigated has been proven to be false? The dossier put together by Michael steele has been largely proven accurate, not everything has been proven true as of yet but nothing in there has been outright disproved. These charges made against a sitting president are serious and deserve to be treated seriously. Especially when you consider the fact that this president actively tried to obstruct the investigation by firing the former attorney General and the fbi director. Can you cite some of the sources that are informing you that Mueller is investigating made up facts or is this just your personal opinion?

Why would I do that? It's much more entertaining watching you all waste your time on a wild goose chase.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Question.

How does Trump chastising the media equate to him attacking the 1st amendment?

Do you mean "chastise" or "threaten?" And by the way, from the Oval Office -- the very heart of executive power in the United States -- the President (such as he is) did suggest punishments (removing licences). That is an egregious overreach, and in and of itself deserves a solid rebuke from Congress and the Judiciary, if not an actual impeachment.

The words spoken by the President of United States have meaning and import, and are paid attention to by millions. And if POTUS is too plain dumb to get that, maybe he should go back to cheating investors and employees by going bankrupt whenever he wants to protect himself from his own stupidity.

 

[Enoch07]

Do you mean "chastise" or "threaten?" And by the way, from the Oval Office -- the very heart of executive power in the United States -- the President (such as he is) did suggest punishments (removing licences). That is an egregious overreach, and in and of itself deserves a solid rebuke from Congress and the Judiciary, if not an actual impeachment.

The words spoken by the President of United States have meaning and import, and are paid attention to by millions. And if POTUS is too plain dumb to get that, maybe he should go back to cheating investors and employees by going bankrupt whenever he wants to protect himself from his own stupidity.

News outlets should be held to a high standard. Repeated outrageous lies and baseless accusations cannot be allowed to stand. Biased and being critical is one thing, but outright lies to defame cannot be tolerated.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

News outlets should be held to a high standard. Repeated outrageous lies and baseless accusations cannot be allowed to stand. Biased and being critical is one thing, but outright lies to defame cannot be tolerated.

Glad to hear you say so. Now then, about Donald Trump's lies --- do they merit less attention than the lies you suppose the press are making?

Or do you expect the people who lead you and are supposed to merit your respect to lie without compunction and without censure? Just askin'.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Truly, I have to repeat myself, because this is such an interesting question: should the press be held to a higher standard of truth-telling than the President? And why, exactly?

 

[Enoch07]

Glad to hear you say so. Now then, about Donald Trump's lies --- do they merit less attention than the lies you suppose the press are making?

Or do you expect the people who lead you and are supposed to merit your respect to lie without compunction and without censure? Just askin'.

All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact

I'd say if Trump lied about someone they have a case against him as well.

I fully expect to be lied to by politicians. If the media wants to call them out on it that's fair.

But we don't need news outlets to fabricate stories and push agendas (left or right leaning). What we need from news outlets is a fair and reasonable unbiased accounting of news worthy issues/stories. You know, the original purpose of the news, to inform people truthfully.

The MSM has become little more than extremely biased propaganda spin machines used by politicians to gain favor and be elected. Fortunately, the MSM is already on its last leg and soon to be on the way out. Trump just might be the final nail in the coffin. I say good riddance.

 

[The magical volleyball]

Why would I do that? It's much more entertaining watching you all waste your time on a wild goose chase.

Maybe that's the real reason America will never be great again. It's citizens are more concerned with entertainment than responsibilty and accountability.