Bible Prophecy as Evidence of a bible writers trustworthiness

[Redemptionsong]

Again, you do not know Greek. His name was there.

I was once a christian, I know all the ins and outs of it, meaning what they taught, believed etc.

The contradictions in the bible was there in the ones I gave you, but if you want more, sure I will provide

* Genesis 1 :24-27 God created animals before humankind.
* Genesis 2 : 7&19 God created humankind before animals.
* Genesis 1 : 31 God admired what He created.
* Genesis 6 : 5-6 God doesn't admire what he created and he get sad ..
* Genesis 16 : 15 ,21 : 1-3 Ibrahim has two children Ishmael and Isaac.
* Hebrews 11 : 17 Ibrahim has one Child Issac.
* Matthew 10 : 34 Jesus came to bring sword not peace.
* Luke 12 : 49-53 Jesus came to bring fire and division.
* John 16 : 33 Jesus came to bring Peace .
* While he said in Luke 19 : 27.But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
* Matthew 5: 44 & Luke 6 : 27-28 :
* 44.But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
* 27-28 .But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

there are more but these are just a few.


Yes, Mohammad pbuh received the revelation over 23 years. Was the entire Quran. Nothing wrong with that. It was preserved. A messenger of God at 40. Doesn't mean that it has to come down all at once. He lived through persecution, trials, suffering and the Quran was brought down as a mercy and to help deal as well in those difficult times. It was a guidance to them as well. But the Quran wasn't from Mohammad and Mohammad never said it was from himself.

Word of God will never have contradiction in his book therefore bible is not the word of God.

Once again you have supplied a list of Biblical passages that show no contradiction, just a lack of understanding!

1. Genesis 1 :24-27 God created animals before humankind. * Genesis 2 : 7&19 God created humankind before animals.
Genesis 1: 2:4 provides a general account of creation in an order, mentioned by day. Genesis 2 is not an order of creation, but a closer look at the creation of man. You will notice from the context that man was 'put' in the Garden of Eden (verse 8), where God then made trees to grow, and where he formed beasts and fowl for Adam to name. The beasts and fowl are formed specifically for Adam's company, and have nothing to do with the general account, given in order, in Genesis 1.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

2. Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 6:5-6. God saw that His creation was 'very good', in Genesis 1:31. It was, because at this point sin had not entered his creation. In Genesis 6, man had become wicked and 'only evil continually', and, not surprisingly, it 'grieved him at his heart'.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

3. Genesis 16 : 15 ,21 : 1-3 Ibrahim has two children Ishmael and Isaac. * Hebrews 11 : 17 Ibrahim has one Child Issac.
Abraham had one child by Hagar (Ishmael), and one child by Sarah (Isaac). Only one of these two children was a child born by promise from God, and that was Isaac. Hebrews 11:18 states, 'Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called'.

Conclusion: No contradiction. Just a clear statement that Muhammad cannot be of the promised line of Isaac.

4. * Matthew 10 : 34 Jesus came to bring sword not peace.* Luke 12 : 49-53 Jesus came to bring fire and division.* John 16 : 33 Jesus came to bring Peace .
There is no great mystery here. Jesus Christ brings division to the world, because the believer is divided from the unbeliever. Jesus also came to bring peace, not to the world, but to the believer, who receive his Spirit of peace.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

5. * While he said in Luke 19 : 27.But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.* Matthew 5: 44 & Luke 6 : 27-28 :
* 44.But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
* 27-28 .But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
If you read the NT carefully, you will know that Jesus appeared as the 'suffering servant', the anointed servant of God, only recognised as Messiah by a few in Israel. When he returns, he comes back as the King of Kings to resurrect/rapture the saints and to pass judgement. What you have confused in the above passages are teachings relevant to two different dispensations. Mercy and love are shown to man in the time of mercy, but when Christ returns the ark (Christ, the temple) is filled and the flood (judgement) takes place.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

It comes as no surprise to me that you have given up your faith in Jesus Christ. Your teachers clearly didn't give you much in the way of scriptural understanding!

As for the Quran, there exist a number of difficulties. At the time of Muhammad, there lived a number of Jewish tribes in the vacinity of Medina. Muhammad eventually fell out with the Jews who rejected his message. This is hardly surprising, as they knew well that Deuteronomy 18:15 had nothing to say about Muhammad. Where else was he to be found in scripture? Could he possibly be the 'Comforter', the Holy Spirit? Well that would be odd, since the Holy Spirit was promised by Jesus and is represented as his 'baptism' [Mark 1:8]. There was clearly no way that Muhammad was poured out on 120 disciples at Pentecost!

Without any mention of Muhammad in the Bible, the claim to being a prophet is without any foundation. All the major prophets of the Bible are mentioned by other prophets.

The final nail in Muhammad's coffin is the NT. The Qur'an is a repetition of a form of law, whilst the NT is what it claims to be , a new covenant under grace. But where do we find the Holy Spirit at work in Islam? It's not. Salvation is by works, not grace. So, how can the message of the Qur'an supersede that of Jesus Christ, when it is based on law?

 

[ElishaElijah]

You have offered no answer to this question, you just quoted the bible at me.

Sure did although not interested friend

 

[Redemptionsong]

Didn’t we get that when God breathed into Adam?

God breathes life into all earthly creatures, but there is only one Lord that descends from heaven.

1 Corinthians 15: 47. 'The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.'

 

[Redemptionsong]

I think that it is hilarious how many people think that because you don't agree with them that you haven't read their literature.


That is your opinion. And you have a right to your opinion. I don't think your opinion is justified, but I don't deny your right to have it.

Reading, if you read scripture like a novel, is actually not enough. Jeremiah says, 'thy words were found, and I did eat them'. Have you eaten and digested the words of scripture? Have you turned them over in your mind? Have you chewed on the 'meat' of the word?

 

[Redemptionsong]

I am an atheist, so obviously I am not simply going to accept your bare assertion for this.



That is not true, I just don't accept that because the Spider Man film has a real city called New York in it, means Spider Man is real.



Even if you convince me of an historical event, I would be swayed by claims of subjective experience or faith, why would I.



You want me to give you the evidence for your own belief, even though I don't share that belief? that's just bizarre. I tend to disbelieve claims that either entirely or insufficiently supported by objective evidence.

Once again, you are side-stepping. I am not asking you to accept matters of faith, I'm asking you to provide a starting point for meaningful dialogue. I want to know which parts of biblical history you accept as accurate. And, I'm particularly interested in knowing which parts of the Jewish 'narrative' you accept as historical.

For instance, did King Hezekiah rule Judah?

 

[Sheldon]

Once again, you are side-stepping. I am not asking you to accept matters of faith, I'm asking you to provide a starting point for meaningful dialogue. I want to know which parts of biblical history you accept as accurate. And, I'm particularly interested in knowing which parts of the Jewish 'narrative' you accept as historical.

For instance, did King Hezekiah rule Judah?

Meaningful to whom? I don't have to "give you anything" this is a debate forum, this thread is predicated on a claim, as of course are biblical prophesies, 3 claims in fact as I earlier indicated. I challenged that claim for something beyond bare assertion, or approaching objective evidence. So far I have had a bible quote making a claim. The relevance to prophesy of any biblical claims or their historical accuracy, is for you to establish.

As yet beyond argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies, no one has offered any rational reason that (claims) for fulfilled prophesy, evidence any deity. Not being able to explain something is not evidence.

 

[ppp]

Reading, if you read scripture like a novel, is actually not enough. Jeremiah says, 'thy words were found, and I did eat them'. Have you eaten and digested the words of scripture? Have you turned them over in your mind? Have you chewed on the 'meat' of the word?

Are you going to believe my answer no matter what it is, or is this a totally false question? Are you capable of believing that someone can read your sacred text, understand it, and honestly not believe it?

 

[Bree]

ITs irrelevant, when its irrelevant. Read the post you are responding to and you will see.

Cheers.

cherry picking when it suits is common

That's a circular reasoning fallacy, you have assumed your conclusion in your premise. I'll give you a clue, Predicting an outcome is not evidence one knows the future, as the daily lottery wins across the globe amply demonstrate.



Assuming you can demonstrate objective evidence for such a claim coming true, which has yet to be demonstrated, and that we cannot reasonably explain, you would still just have an event we cannot explain. Making unevidenced assumptions based on not having contrary evidence or explanation, is called an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. It is an irrational conclusion or claim by definition.

fulfilled prophecy IS objective evidence.

 

[firedragon]

cherry picking when it suits is common

True.

 

[Audie]

cherry picking when it suits is common



fulfilled prophecy IS objective evidence.

Cherry picking is most in favour with people wanting to ovrrlook
failed predictions

A successful prediction would be evidence
of something

If it really happened that the prophesy comes true

Its not a lucky guess ( see stopped clock being right twice a day)

Its not something anyone could predict,
like " sunrise"

If the prophecy is not worded so that it can later be interpreted to be correct whatever happens

Anything else?

And onjective evidence of what? Time travel?
Reversal of cause-and-effect?
Magic? Time warp?

If i successfully predict something it is objective evidence that on said occasion I made a successful prediction.
Is it evidence of something else?

 

[Audie]

Great, now can you demonstrate anything approaching objective evidence?



That is a pretty obvious no true Scotsman fallacy.



Well it would wouldn't it, dear oh dear.



All you have done is repeat the claim, please demonstrate some objective evidence for a fulfilled prophesy. Also would you explain to me how a hypothetical accurate prediction of a future event, is evidence for any deity?



The Harry Potter novels have steam trains and schools in them, this does not make wizardry real.



I am dubious, especially since all you have done is make a bare unevidenced claim. Also the narrative can contain things that are true, but this doesn't necessarily evidence any deity. The Spider Man film is set in New York, it is a real city, so the narrative has a fact in it, that doesn't make Spider Man real.



Trekkies exist, and have a point of origin in time, this does not make Star Trek real.



Coherent to whom?

Try for a post without the word " fallacy"?

 

[rational experiences]

Basic thinking first.

O men humans did not create earth O planet or it's heavens by theories or stories told. By humans.

Evolution cooling in space had.

No argument allowed as a thinker as its advice is actual.

Thinking hence owns conditions of what is allowed as truth or what is used as coercion. As lying.

Hence as no man is God the concept talking after the fact is about human thesis science. It's design human thought. It's building by humans. The control by humans thinking said O earth planet did not attack life in its natural status.

Was the biblical advice.

As machine built by man controlled by man's thoughts changing earths planets gases is not reasoned. As why it happened.

As part of the reasons why life was changed by earths conditions.
Ignored by the human scientists.

So we live on the bared naked earth body. Said humans. We don't live in the sea or water as waters origins just mass.

Mass owns the presence created water the type.

So when humans theory a beginning status it is only mass in any natural creation terms as first as science.

Why mass heavenly flood raining over mountains was human science temple on mount pyramid activated caused. Was the warning to lying human theists.

The status. Flooding in heavens atop mountain began was where temple stone ark got hit by Ra ufo eye ark was the only reason human life survived. Flooding cooling. Mass as a beginning just water.

As constant water saturation stopped earths heavens gas spirit body from mass igniting. It saved life on earth with ice the saviour body melting sacrificed. Body saviour sacrificed was ice

Cause effect secondary human life sacrificed. Did it to humans as humans.

Ice being the saviours flesh as the frozen water. O earths saviour first not humans.

Life was holy water baptism natural water.

Once correctly read by intent bible was a numbered data status only and not the story. As stories are only thought.

Thinking a story began the journey human science before science by practice number use.

So you needed a human teacher who taught correctly and not inference by a lot of theists arguing intent of meaning.

Hence the order of wisdom only allowed the correct readings to be taught. Teacher was murdered as the correct teaching who said science chosen by men destroys life. The reason why lying false preaching existed since.

Pretty basic human advice.

The teacher of correct teaching wisdom murdered.

As I heard my science brothers life memory word data Ai voice recordings he told me how he once taught the advice and why his teaching was being ignored.

As a psychic healer hearing I agreed to try to relate his recorded man's science human truth. As the teacher.

He told me the brother who gained the voiced Ai advice was always murdered as he challenged the scientists who falsified earth science advice.

 

[nPeace]

@SkepticThinker, @Sheldon,
Yes I did interject myself and was interested in who you thought Isaiah 53 was talking about and who could possibly prophesy 700 years in advance?
I will assume neither want to answer those 2 questions.

As you mentioned earlier, not everyone will see, and some will be blind.
Think of it this way...
Say 1,000,000 people heard someone say, "A red train with yellow wheels, black horns travelling to Timbuktu with only Indian people, will pass through Station 9 at exactly 5 PM on Wednesday, October 9th, 2028.

The train fitting that description, may actually arrive exactly on schedule, but 99% of those 1,000,000 may not believe that it did.

Why not? Red trains travelling to Timbuktu pass through Station 9 frequently, and unless one is paying attention to every detail, they will not realize the difference.

Recall, it was people who were paying attention - who were in expectation, that observed the actual fulfilment.
(Daniel 9:2) . . .in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years.

(Luke 3:15) . . .Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?. . .

Recall, Jesus' words...
(Matthew 24:15, 16) 15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

Did you notice the word discern?
People want to see something like a house fall out the sky. In other words, they want to see what they want to see, as a sign for them to believe.
Yet they know things don't work that way where investigation is concerned.
They believe their theories that wolf-like creatures became whales, etc., and they have not seen any such thing. Yet, they believe.

Let them be. Jesus said as much. Matthew 15:14
It requires using perception, discernment, and suchlike, in any investigative study, and they know this.
Romans 1:20 highlights that fact. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

While they bury their head in the sand, you will be

All the signs Jesus performed gave evidence of his origin, yet what was he faced with?
"Teacher, we want to see a sign from you." Lol

The same thing is happening today dude. John 12:37 They won't see a thing.

 

[CG Didymus]

As you mentioned earlier, not everyone will see, and some will be blind.
Think of it this way...
Say 1,000,000 people heard someone say, "A red train with yellow wheels, black horns travelling to Timbuktu with only Indian people, will pass through Station 9 at exactly 5 PM on Wednesday, October 9th, 2028.

The train fitting that description, may actually arrive exactly on schedule, but 99% of those 1,000,000 may not believe that it did.

Why not? Red trains travelling to Timbuktu pass through Station 9 frequently, and unless one is paying attention to every detail, they will not realize the difference.

Recall, it was people who were paying attention - who were in expectation, that observed the actual fulfilment.
(Daniel 9:2) . . .in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years.

(Luke 3:15) . . .Now the people were in expectation and all of them were reasoning in their hearts about John, “May he perhaps be the Christ?. . .

Recall, Jesus' words...
(Matthew 24:15, 16) 15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.

Did you notice the word discern?
People want to see something like a house fall out the sky. In other words, they want to see what they want to see, as a sign for them to believe.
Yet they know things don't work that way where investigation is concerned.
They believe their theories that wolf-like creatures became whales, etc., and they have not seen any such thing. Yet, they believe.

Let them be. Jesus said as much. Matthew 15:14
It requires using perception, discernment, and suchlike, in any investigative study, and they know this.
Romans 1:20 highlights that fact. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.

While they bury their head in the sand, you will be

All the signs Jesus performed gave evidence of his origin, yet what was he faced with?
"Teacher, we want to see a sign from you." Lol

The same thing is happening today dude. John 12:37 They won't see a thing.

And then Baha'is say the same thing to Christians. They say, "All the prophecies pointed to the year 1844. But you weren't looking for the right person and weren't looking in the right place."

 

[Bree]

That's the claim, not evidence, so what objective evidence is there to support that claim?

Also assuming some unknown author made a claim that could be sufficiently supported any objective evidence, and assuming some outcome matched it beyond any reasonable doubt, how does that evidence any deity? You keep avoiding this question, and it has not gone unnoticed.

the encyclopedia Britannica explains the historical details of the siege by Rome. History books show prophecy to be fulfilled as it was foretold.

Siege of Jerusalem | Facts & Summary | Britannica

 

[rational experiences]

And then Baha'is say the same thing to Christians. They say, "All the prophecies pointed to the year 1844. But you weren't looking for the right person and weren't looking in the right place."

Jeru Salem. The turning place.

In old science pyramid with transmitting temples. A science. Not using computers TVs radios phones. Using signals differently as heavenly radio transmitters.

No haarp. No computer controlled satellite studies. No dust converting nuclear power plant.

Scientific advice for lying science theists. Just humans.

Told to stop science by Jewish Christian Jesus taught healer group. Medical advice life sacrificed bodily cells blood and bones.

Same mind today who says in theism science... who cares as long as my life is not harmed. Says just equal humans bodies...humans.

Same behaviour. Same mind status.

Then Rome was hit by a burning star era Nero.

Science status temple pyramids not any falling star.

What should return logically after the ancient event star fall out?

Logic says I hope nothing comes back or returns.

Predictive space science however said it would.

Is a falling star wandering a machine science thesis?

Real answer is no. Machines were using earth products.

Status a review. Scientists just men said old science pyramid temple had caused nuclear fallout. A long time ago.

Old pyramids evidence.

In modern life theorising science again told a story the heavens gas spirits had returned.

Said out of earths erections...volcanoes.
Said in heavens falling star gain. Advice.

Ice saviour body of god earth as ice had saved life by atmospheric flooding by rain fall.

Was an assessment why human DNA had returned bodily in human life by the act of sex sin owner DNA mutated. Healed by atmospheric re massing returned body mass. Amount of bodily healthy cells living present. Oxygenated water.

Was a teaching only.

Thought upon and about by humans.

That advice hence said nuclear science destroys life don't repractice it

Greedy lying rich men said I will do whatever I want. Attacked life again. Jesus event is now modern day life dying sacrificed everywhere.

Does a greedy rich man learn?

No.

Because he is still rich and greedy.

 

[Bree]

And then Baha'is say the same thing to Christians. They say, "All the prophecies pointed to the year 1844. But you weren't looking for the right person and weren't looking in the right place."

Bahai's are greatly mislead. the messiah of God must come from the tribe of Judah of Israel. He must have a legal right to the throne of Israel by birth.
About the Kingship of Isreal, God stated through his prophet Ezekiel “A ruin, a ruin, a ruin I shall make it. As for this also, it will certainly become no one’s until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him.”—Ezekiel 21:27.

to have a legal right to the throne of God on earth, you must be born of the tribe of Judah of Israel and specifically of the line of King David. Balluahalla was not from either.

 

[firedragon]

And then Baha'is say the same thing to Christians. They say, "All the prophecies pointed to the year 1844. But you weren't looking for the right person and weren't looking in the right place."

Honestly brother, I am a Muslim and I must say some muslims also say similar things about bible prophecies fit Muhammed. But it was not the Islamic polemics traditionally but are recent apologetics.

Yet, I have never seen muslims go to the level of the Bahai's to read the Biblical prophecies in a completely allegorical manner and mega inferences. Never in my life. One thing that struck me so hard was the woe's being prophets and their advent referring to prophecies in the book of revelations. That in my experience is the most extreme. Its more extreme than any Christian post hoc ergo propter hoc.

But the bottomline is, some muslims also take a few bible prophecies and say that alludes to Muhammed. So the Bahai attempt is not as fringe as one would think.

 

[MyM]

I don't believe in any deity, and the contradictions are listed on that website. Of course you dispute them, just as Christians here did when you offered the same claim about the bible. IF the Quran or Bible were really the infallible word of a perfect deity, then there would likely only be one religion, and Muslims the world over would not expend so much time and energy and laws trying to suppress any criticism of it texts.

I will not even look at them, for they don't even know Arabic.

Well, that is where you are wrong. Satan has his own free will to do as he wishes. God gave him that. He (satan) says he will misguide the mankind but Allah says you will never be able to guide the believers. So we already know there will be discord amongst people. Islam has the answers. He's doin a great job in misguiding that is for sure. astaghfirAllah (God forgive)

The Bible isn't infallible as there are way tooo many discrepancies. The Quran, you cannot find one. Reading online from some website, which cannot even understand the Arabic and the tafseer(explanation) and exegesis of the Arabic, is not a good argument.

in Islam, It isn't that we are expending so much time with this, it's that people don't understand correctly and have been told things in their religions that need to be refuted for others to understand and think for themselves. I was in a bubble for so long. In my own head and I thought I was sooo right in my religion-but I am glad I woke up. I want the same for others to just listen or ask questions without their thinking they are correct but out of humbleness and genuine and outside their own box. It isn't taboo.

Anyways, being a Muslim, I am entitled to tell others and it isn't upon me to make them believe.

 

[MyM]

Once again you have supplied a list of Biblical passages that show no contradiction, just a lack of understanding!

1. Genesis 1 :24-27 God created animals before humankind. * Genesis 2 : 7&19 God created humankind before animals.
Genesis 1: 2:4 provides a general account of creation in an order, mentioned by day. Genesis 2 is not an order of creation, but a closer look at the creation of man. You will notice from the context that man was 'put' in the Garden of Eden (verse 8), where God then made trees to grow, and where he formed beasts and fowl for Adam to name. The beasts and fowl are formed specifically for Adam's company, and have nothing to do with the general account, given in order, in Genesis 1.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

2. Genesis 1:31 and Genesis 6:5-6. God saw that His creation was 'very good', in Genesis 1:31. It was, because at this point sin had not entered his creation. In Genesis 6, man had become wicked and 'only evil continually', and, not surprisingly, it 'grieved him at his heart'.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

3. Genesis 16 : 15 ,21 : 1-3 Ibrahim has two children Ishmael and Isaac. * Hebrews 11 : 17 Ibrahim has one Child Issac.
Abraham had one child by Hagar (Ishmael), and one child by Sarah (Isaac). Only one of these two children was a child born by promise from God, and that was Isaac. Hebrews 11:18 states, 'Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called'.

Conclusion: No contradiction. Just a clear statement that Muhammad cannot be of the promised line of Isaac.

4. * Matthew 10 : 34 Jesus came to bring sword not peace.* Luke 12 : 49-53 Jesus came to bring fire and division.* John 16 : 33 Jesus came to bring Peace .
There is no great mystery here. Jesus Christ brings division to the world, because the believer is divided from the unbeliever. Jesus also came to bring peace, not to the world, but to the believer, who receive his Spirit of peace.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

5. * While he said in Luke 19 : 27.But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.* Matthew 5: 44 & Luke 6 : 27-28 :
* 44.But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you
* 27-28 .But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
If you read the NT carefully, you will know that Jesus appeared as the 'suffering servant', the anointed servant of God, only recognised as Messiah by a few in Israel. When he returns, he comes back as the King of Kings to resurrect/rapture the saints and to pass judgement. What you have confused in the above passages are teachings relevant to two different dispensations. Mercy and love are shown to man in the time of mercy, but when Christ returns the ark (Christ, the temple) is filled and the flood (judgement) takes place.

Conclusion: No contradiction.

It comes as no surprise to me that you have given up your faith in Jesus Christ. Your teachers clearly didn't give you much in the way of scriptural understanding!

As for the Quran, there exist a number of difficulties. At the time of Muhammad, there lived a number of Jewish tribes in the vacinity of Medina. Muhammad eventually fell out with the Jews who rejected his message. This is hardly surprising, as they knew well that Deuteronomy 18:15 had nothing to say about Muhammad. Where else was he to be found in scripture? Could he possibly be the 'Comforter', the Holy Spirit? Well that would be odd, since the Holy Spirit was promised by Jesus and is represented as his 'baptism' [Mark 1:8]. There was clearly no way that Muhammad was poured out on 120 disciples at Pentecost!

Without any mention of Muhammad in the Bible, the claim to being a prophet is without any foundation. All the major prophets of the Bible are mentioned by other prophets.

The final nail in Muhammad's coffin is the NT. The Qur'an is a repetition of a form of law, whilst the NT is what it claims to be , a new covenant under grace. But where do we find the Holy Spirit at work in Islam? It's not. Salvation is by works, not grace. So, how can the message of the Qur'an supersede that of Jesus Christ, when it is based on law?

I think you are in denial. lol

ok here's one for ya

The sign of Jonah.
"AN EVIL AND ADULTEROUS GENERATION SEEKETH AFTER A SIGN; AND THERE SHALL NO SIGN (no miracle) BE GIVEN TO IT, BUT THE SIGN (miracle) OF THE PROPHET JONAS: FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE'S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH." (Matthew 12:39-40)

How many days and nights was Jesus in the belly of the earth? 2days, 1 night. ....


anyways, you have clear and PRECISE contradictions but you refuse to acknowledge them. I understand, I was the same way...big time.

Mohammad pbuh was indeed the last messenger of Allah. He even had a neighbor that was a Jew and things were fine

So, because I saw and asked, ...yes, here it comes...I knew the words were coming..."It comes as no surprise to me that you have given up your faith in Jesus Christ. Your teachers clearly didn't give you much in the way of scriptural understanding!" This is what everyone says when they think they are in the right. I can't tell you how many times I heard that.

Jesus did not claim to be God. If the NT is a repetition of the laws and commandments, then why don't you follow them? Why do you talk in church? Why aren't you covering your hair? ...ya know, in the Bible women are to cover their hair and if they don't it should be shaven. ....there are so many things that Christians get away with so they don't have to follow the laws and commandments. It was an easy way out. You should praise Paul for making your lives so much easier.

In Islam, The Quran is the last message from Allah. He has told us in the Quran that men have changed his books. That they have been corrupted and that Mohammad pbuh is the last messenger and that he (Allah) has completed the religion. The message speaks for itself. We do not deny Jesus. In Jesus' time, he was indeed the way the truth the life but that doesn't make him God. Just like Noah had his time and his people got punished, just like Moses etc. David the same, Jesus the same. But when it comes to the Quran, you cannot say that. It is the EXACT unaltered books for over 1400 years now. It is a test of time In it, it talks about the Day of Judgement, this life, Heaven, Hellfire, rules, laws, prophets, Jesus, Maryam, etc. etc. etc. It is truly a book from Allah. No man has been able to come up with a book like unto it. That is the test.