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[Robert.Evans]

I have already explained my views.

By the way, there's a difference between attacking someone and attacking their ideas. The former is against the rules, but the latter isn't. You seem to be confusing the two.

I don't see a difference when you use the words you did. It is just a cute way of attacking someone personally and getting away with it. So what are views then? They are too long to type?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Does abuse add any meaning to your point? Does it foster discussion? Or is just about venting, with ill feelings justifying personal insults?

It's not venting; I'm saying exactly what I think of the views I've seen expressed here by a certain person. And if doing so is considered abuse, then posting rape apologetics and defending vile beliefs is far more abusive to other posters.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We do have recourse. Techniques to reduce the risk of assault (addressing both perp & victim) have spawned entire threads here. The thoughtful Libertine can take reasonable precautions, eg, it's why we have "safe words".

If this is a closed shop you are on about, it does nothing to address everyone else. How do you stop people raping? You can't. Is that not the answer? If so, stop going and doing certain things which might put yourself in a position that it might happen. Oh, I forgot, that is seen as wrong now..... is it just the people on this forum?

 

[Revoltingest]

Tell me then, how does one control a populace? How does one control people who rome free? If they are free, they are free to express themselves. You don't wish to be restricted, so how then do you control people from doing wrong. Good morals? How are they installed? Telling people? Don't they already know? So how do you do it then?

Rather than control a population, I'd prefer to influence. Awareness campaigns can alert some to understand that date rape is wrong, can alert potential victims to dangerous situations, etc, etc. And the justice system can learn to better cope with protecting victims while punishing those who deserve it.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It's not venting; I'm saying exactly what I think of the views I've seen expressed here by a certain person. And if doing so is considered abuse, then posting rape apologetics and defending vile beliefs is far more abusive to other posters.

Accept that is not true. We have already discussed this, me and you. We are in agreement, remember. We both think that precautions should be taken. Have you been to sleep since then? haha

 

[Revoltingest]

If this is a closed shop you are on about, it does nothing to address everyone else. How do you stop people raping? You can't. Is that not the answer? If so, stop going and doing certain things which might put yourself in a position that it might happen. Oh, I forgot, that is seen as wrong now..... is it just the people on this forum?

I don't expect that we can prevent all assaults. But we can strike a better balance maximizing liberty & minimizing crime.

 

[Debater Slayer]

But that just means that you are admitting that you don't keep the Law of God and therefore leave yourself wide open. I see no recourse for anyone who is doing this.

"The Law of God" according to whom or what? Let's take your example about one-night stands: why should everyone consider it "adultery"? I personally don't believe that there's a deity that cares about what people do with their sex lives, so I don't share your views on sexual matters.

Furthermore, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that what leads to rape isn't sexual freedom; it's a desire to exert power over another person as well as mental issues that rapists tend to have. I think this explanation makes far more sense than one that is based on ancient texts written by people who didn't have basic understanding of human sexuality or psychology.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Rather than control a population, I'd prefer to influence. Awareness campaigns can alert some to understand that date rape is wrong, can alert potential victims to dangerous situations, etc, etc. And the justice system can learn to better cope with protecting victims while punishing those who deserve it.

It does not address the problem though. People rape. How do you stop it? Telling them does not work, that is why there is rape. That is why I say you have to protect yourself by keeping from certain situations.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't expect that we can prevent all assaults. But we can strike a better balance maximizing liberty & minimizing crime.

And how can you maximize freedom and yet limit rape?

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not venting; I'm saying exactly what I think of the views I've seen expressed here by a certain person. And if doing so is considered abuse, then posting rape apologetics and defending vile beliefs is far more abusive to other posters.

This strikes me as bullying apologetics, ie, abuse & incivility are fine, so long as one has the truth, & really objects to opposing views.

 

[Robert.Evans]

"The Law of God" according to whom or what? Let's take your example about one-night stands: why should everyone consider it "adultery"? I personally don't believe that there's a deity that cares about what people do with their sex lives, so I don't share your views on sexual matters.

Furthermore, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that what leads to rape isn't sexual freedom; it's a desire to exert power over another person as well as mental issues that rapists tend to have. I think this explanation makes far more sense than one that is based on ancient texts written by people who didn't have basic understanding of human sexuality or psychology.

There are all kinds of reasons for rape, no one is arguing that. You I think have one point of view and are not open to new ideas. Your excuse seems to be that if it is old, it is wrong

 

[Revoltingest]

And how can you maximize freedom and yet limit rape?

We've had threads about this very subject. As I recall, Mystic & I each started on. They're hard to search for these days, otherwise I'd give you links to'm. Some general approaches: awareness of potential danger, self defense tactics.

It took a long time, with much gnashing of teeth, & accusations of "blaming the victim" to get to the point where we could productively explore ways to minimize risk of assault. Tough times they were.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I would still like to know how we prevent rape, or at least lessen it? You can't control peoples minds, so they might rape. So what is the answer? Prevention? For some reason that is a bad idea because some here seem to think it puts the guilt on to the woman, which it does not. Shame. As this means it will carry on.

Why are chastity belts no good for prisoners Willy? I have put down my sword *clang* so answer.

 

[Robert.Evans]

We've had threads about this very subject. As I recall, Mystic & I each started on. They're hard to search for these days, otherwise I'd give you links to'm. Some general approaches: awareness of potential danger, self defense tactics,

And is that what Mystic said.... haha. funny. ''awareness of potential dangers''..... is that not what everyone is arguing with me about? yet is is me who is saying keep out of certain situations

 

[Robert.Evans]

Self defence is alright to a degree, but people will get used to it, and then they will up their game also. Then everyone becomes slightly more violent. Who wins? The strongest I say.

 

[Robert.Evans]

So DS will not repeat what he said before. I wonder why? Perhaps he has little to say. Lest it's the smell of the *puke* that comes from my mouth, haha. I think a woman listening to me would be safer than listening to some others on here.... but that is just what you'd expect from someone medieval, *clang* who drags his knuckles on the floor

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It does not address the problem though. People rape. How do you stop it? Telling them does not work, that is why there is rape. That is why I say you have to protect yourself by keeping from certain situations.

Doesn't your deity have commandments regarding certain things you should not do? Like murder? False witness? Coveting?

Do people do them anyway?

And if they do, how do you not put yourself in a situation in the first place to not murder or be murdered? To not bear false witness or be the hurt party of false witness? How do you prevent others from gossiping about you? How do you keep yourself from a situation such as that?

Your posts focus primarily on controlling women and children, and assume that men are unable to control themselves when provoked. This is what I disagree with and find archaic and ineffective when societies operate much better if women are entitled to the same rights, liberties, and protections as men.

Oh, and did you really say earlier that whites and blacks should be segregated?

 

[Revoltingest]

And is that what Mystic said.... haha. funny. ''awareness of potential dangers''..... is that not what everyone is arguing with me about? yet is is me who is saying keep out of certain situations

The difference I see is that your suggestions are often inapplicable to us libertines & heathens. There is no one-size-fits-all rape prevention solution.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

So DS will not repeat what he said before. I wonder why? Perhaps he has little to say. Lest it's the smell of the *puke* that comes from my mouth, haha. I think a woman listening to me would be safer than listening to some others on here.... but that is just what you'd expect from someone medieval, *clang* who drags his knuckles on the floor

Actually, listening to somebody like you makes me feel distinctly unsafe.

 

[Revoltingest]

Self defence is alright to a degree, but people will get used to it, and then they will up their game also. Then everyone becomes slightly more violent. Who wins? The strongest I say.

I take a simple & short term view of self defense. If attacked, I defend. Surviving the immediate assault is what not mattters...speculation about societal evolution.
But I do think a culture of self defense is a good thing. After all, government doesn't defend us...they just mark chalk lines outlining the victim, & put up caution tape before heading off for a donut break.