Bill Cosby.....You Know You Wanna Discuss It.

[Revoltingest]

Actually, listening to somebody like you makes me feel distinctly unsafe.

Now you're being unduly accurate.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Doesn't your deity have commandments regarding certain things you should not do? Like murder? False witness? Coveting?

yes

Do people do them anyway?

no

And if they do, how do you not put yourself in a situation in the first place to not murder or be murdered? To not bear false witness or be the hurt party of false witness? How do you prevent others from gossiping about you? How do you keep yourself from a situation such as that?

Is that not a different subject? The point is, you can't control people. So stay away from situations which are dangerous, like falling out with someone so bad he might kill you; like having so much wealth he might kill you for it. There are precautions we can take to help each other if we see each other as brother and sister.

Your posts focus primarily on controlling women and children, and assume that men are unable to control themselves when provoked. This is what I disagree with and find archaic and ineffective when societies operate much better if women are entitled to the same rights, liberties, and protections as men.

The only reason they do that is because that is the part you attacked. Thus I have been defending a position of being careful to what situation you put yourself in. You and others seem against this. I don't why.

Oh, and did you really say earlier that whites and blacks should be segregated?

We should all live in our own land... that is not quite as you worded it. But if we did, which is the tower of Babel story, then this Cosby story would not be here would it. And that is fact. It is another freedom we hold and then have to deal with. I suppose you will now misenterpret that also, as DS will

 

[Robert.Evans]

The difference I see is that your suggestions are often inapplicable to us libertines & heathens. There is no one-size-fits-all rape prevention solution.

Then we live separate as the Scripture says, then you are free to do as you please

 

[Robert.Evans]

Actually, listening to somebody like you makes me feel distinctly unsafe.

Really. Nice. I am the one who is said to be ''dragging his knuckles on the floor'' and ''spewing out medieval puke'' and yet telling women to take precautions........ and that makes you feel unsafe?!?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then we live separate as the Scripture says, then you are free to do as you please

Living separately isn't a solution for most of us.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Now you're being unduly accurate.

explain

 

[Robert.Evans]

Living separately isn't a solution for most of us.

separate as regards Christians and heathens

 

[Robert.Evans]

Why saying people should take precautions, primarily women, why is that seen as wrong? I get the feeling I have entered a zoo.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Really. Nice. I am the one who is said to be ''dragging his knuckles on the floor'' and ''spewing out medieval puke'' and yet telling women to take precautions........ and that makes you feel unsafe?!?

I think if I had a daughter and she was with you, I would feel very concerned.

 

[Debater Slayer]

This strikes me as bullying apologetics, ie, abuse & incivility are fine, so long as one has the truth, & really objects to opposing views.

Rev, I think you know better than to play both ends against the middle when one side of the argument clearly consists of rape apologetics. If you knowingly want to do that, be my guest, but let's not pretend this is about "civility." That ship sailed the moment someone made brazenly ignorant comments about victims of rape supposedly being at fault at all for getting raped.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Really. Nice. I am the one who is said to be ''dragging his knuckles on the floor'' and ''spewing out medieval puke'' and yet telling women to take precautions........ and that makes you feel unsafe?!?

Your posts tell me I should always listen to a man if I want to feel protected. Don't trust any other man, but only trust the husband and do everything he tells me.

Patriarchal customs have been known to result in a very unsafe world for women and for men who do not belong to a higher socio-economic class.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Rev, I think you know better than to play both ends against the middle when one side of the argument clearly consists of rape apologetics. If you knowingly want to do that, be my guest, but let's not pretend this is about "civility." That ship sailed the moment someone made brazenly ignorant comments about victims of rape supposedly being at fault at all for getting raped.

who has done that?

 

[Debater Slayer]

So DS will not repeat what he said before. I wonder why? Perhaps he has little to say. Lest it's the smell of the *puke* that comes from my mouth, haha. I think a woman listening to me would be safer than listening to some others on here.... but that is just what you'd expect from someone medieval, *clang* who drags his knuckles on the floor

Which statement(s) of mine are you referring to here? I stand by every single thing I've said in this thread, so I'd have no problem repeating any of it again.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Your posts tell me I should always listen to a man if I want to feel protected. Don't trust any other man, but only trust the husband and do everything he tells me.

Patriarchal customs have been known to result in a very unsafe world for women and for men who do not belong to a higher socio-economic class.

Allhings in moderation I think. You like to exaggerate when you speak to me... you see only wrong.

 

[savagewind]

I was raped. I felt "at fault" for being there. I hear I am wrong.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Which statement(s) of mine are you referring to here? I stand by every single thing I've said in this thread, so I'd have no problem repeating any of it again.

Tell me what you think. Don't keep accusing me. We ar in agreement you know. We have already established that. Yet you are still attacking, falsely.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I was raped. I felt "at fault" for being there. I hear I am wrong.

It appears 'you' have no voice.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Your posts tell me I should always listen to a man if I want to feel protected. Don't trust any other man, but only trust the husband and do everything he tells me.

What is wrong with listening to your husband. You accepted him as such did you not? So now married you don't wish to listen to him? How does that make sense (hypothetically or not)

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I think if I had a daughter and she was with you, I would feel very concerned.

My daughter is a black belt in Shorin Kempo / Shorin Ryu / Shotokan Karate. She is highly skilled in the ability to defend herself - and as a matter of fact, she outranks me and can legitimately kick my butt if I attacked her.

She also has little concern about dating, since I've raised her to be independent and not depend on what boys think of her and how she looks. She spends the majority of her free time on her artwork, that she has been able to be commissioned from people around the world and has begun building her own little empire.

I teach mostly elementary, middle school, and teenaged girls. Some boys do come to my classes, but overwhelmingly girls come to my classes. I've taught them for 25 years now. And my main concern is for students to be able to think critically and explore freely in their art. Since I began teaching, young women have cited my influence as having been part of their success in life. Two of my students have gone on to become directors of their university dance programs, and countless others have been on Broadway and on television.

You'd have no reason to be concerned except that I don't abide by your narrow values. I have proven myself many times over for my ability to influence positively, and especially with young women in a society still learning to see all people as free and equal, though the sentiment is there to have all people free.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Tell me what you think. Don't keep accusing me. We ar in agreement you know. We have already established that. Yet you are still attacking, falsely.

I'm not in agreement with anyone who tries to reduce the blame that should be put on rapists. I'm also not in agreement with people who believe in what I perceive to be harmful Bronze Age myths.