Bill Cosby.....You Know You Wanna Discuss It.

[savagewind]

What does Eh mean? Do you not know that calling him a Neanderthal is throwing wood on the fire????

 

[Revoltingest]

separate as regards Christians and heathens

Xians & heathens separate? Balderdash!
Amish do that, but even they socialize with me when bidding against each other at auctions. And don't get me started on Rumspringa.

 

[Revoltingest]

...she outranks me and can legitimately kick my butt if I attacked her.

Well, gee....who couldn't...it's only a couple feet off the ground!

 

[Revoltingest]

Rev, I think you know better than to play both ends against the middle when one side of the argument clearly consists of rape apologetics. If you knowingly want to do that, be my guest, but let's not pretend this is about "civility."

Let's not pretend that I'm pretending anything, bub.

That ship sailed the moment someone made brazenly ignorant comments about victims of rape supposedly being at fault at all for getting raped.

I don't oppose your criticizing what you find offensive. It's all in the how of doing it. To be offended is not license to abuse.
I have some ownership over this thread in the sense that I created it with the expressed purpose of discussion, not insulting. Gender politics ignited flaming in one of my other threads, & got it frozen. I don't want that to happen again.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Well, gee....who couldn't...it's only a couple feet off the ground!

Which, if true, places a straight line palm strike to the groin area. It's us little people that tend to be underestimated.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which, if true, places a straight line palm strike to the groin area. It's us little people that tend to be underestimated.

Yer palm would likely get tangled up in me walker. Looks to be peace thru MAD.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

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I don't oppose your criticizing what you find offensive. It's all in the how of doing it. To be offended is not license to abuse.
I have some ownership over this thread in the sense that I created it with the expressed purpose of discussion, not insulting. Gender politics ignited flaming in one of my other threads, & got it frozen. I don't want that to happen again.

To be fair though, Rev...in the OP you did trivialize sexual assault by mentioning Cosby "hitting on" Ferrigno's wife, and introduced a joke about the hulk getting angry.

Rhetoric like that has been used to abuse sexual assault survivors when they have pressed charges and have experienced the horrific ordeal of rape kits and law enforcement as well as media treatment of their case.

 

[Robert.Evans]

As an immediate answer, I am very thorough with how women should take precautions.

Then why are you arguing with me? You should think more and not overeact.

I tell all my students how to carry a magazine with them on the subway, the bus, or in a cab in a way that they can use it as a weapon. Women are expected to have a magazine with them, so I tell them to roll it up and use it if/when they are groped or grabbed by jabbing the end of it into the perpetrators neck. If law enforcement approaches, unroll the magazine and act like one is reading it as if nothing happened.

Yes, this is the best (I've found) way to be prepared and to take precautions, since groping and harassment and attacks will occur,

I have already said that rape occurs. You answer to that is I am saying that all men are potential rapists. Now I should overeact eh. All men are gropers. Let's all attack you.

I see no keep away from certain people or places in your words. I find that very worrying. I wonder if you are making them so confident they walk straight into the lion's den, a den you perhaps don't even point out.

while law enforcement remains to have a woefully inadequate and harmful response to sexual assault crimes and still is not an effective protocol to follow.

Practicing awareness cues, using peripheral vision, scanning for potential hiding places are also ways of women to protect themselves and to take precautions.

Learning how to speak assertively while de-escalating suspicious conversations with strangers is another skill I highly recommend.

That is why you r daughter learnt karate is it.. haha

Way too many women are untrained in speaking assertively in these situations. Way too many people overall are, IMO, to be perfectly honest.

What I have a problem with all this is that society thinks this is NORMAL. I think it's deeply symptomatic of a highly dysfunctional society, which is why I go through the motions while speaking up and saying to the crowds, "Hey y'all, it doesn't have to be this way! Let's confront this and change it!"

I have already said that society is broken. It always has been. But change is difficult, because you can't make people DO things. But you can control YOU. You can put YOURSELF in a situation which is safer.

 

[Robert.Evans]

His sloped forehead and prominent brow ridge are simply adorable. <3

Personal attack from a clown? I shall never go to the circus again

 

[Revoltingest]

To be fair though, Rev...in the OP you did trivialize sexual assault by mentioning Cosby "hitting on" Ferrigno's wife, and introduced a joke about the hulk getting angry.

Aye, & criticizing this is entirely appropriate. Getting along in polite company doesn't come naturally to me, & your objection to my approach was appropriate & civil.

Gallows humor is tricky. Note that even your post #345 could be seen as trivializing sexual assault. Is it worse than the OP? I don't know. But I know where you stand on assault, & that you too have your heart in the right place, & that such humor works in this venue.

Rhetoric like that has been used to abuse sexual assault survivors when they have pressed charges and have experienced the horrific ordeal of rape kits and law enforcement as well as media treatment of their case.

Now you're venturing off onto thin ice. Ya know, I was surprised to see that this Cosby debacle wasn't yet being addressed here, & broached the subject precisely because of its import & inattention. If'n ya wanted it handled better, ya could'a stepped up first.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Then why are you arguing with me? You should think more and not overeact.

I'm arguing with your insistence that if a woman is attacked, it's because she didn't take enough precautions. Your reaction to the Cosby case that the women were stupid and didn't have their husbands around is a harmful statement and untrue.

I have already said that rape occurs. You answer to that is I am saying that all men are potential rapists. Now I should overeact eh. All men are gropers. Let's all attack you.

Great. A rape joke. Not funny.

I see no keep away from certain people or places in your words. I find that very worrying. I wonder if you are making them so confident they walk straight into the lion's den, a den you perhaps don't even point out.

Take out the lions den.

I have already said that society is broken. It always has been. But change is difficult, because you can't make people DO things. But you can control YOU. You can put YOURSELF in a situation which is safer.

You can also teach people just as passionately to not rape. Teach consent. That is more effective than teaching girls to never go anywhere without a male escort. Her escort might not understand what consent looks like if he decides she might be a good time.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

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To be fair though, Rev...in the OP you did trivialize sexual assault by mentioning Cosby "hitting on" Ferrigno's wife, and introduced a joke about the hulk getting angry.

Rhetoric like that has been used to abuse sexual assault survivors when they have pressed charges and have experienced the horrific ordeal of rape kits and law enforcement as well as media treatment of their case.

It is a deflection symptomatic of a far too prevalent attitude.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I'm arguing with your insistence that if a woman is attacked, it's because she didn't take enough precautions. Your reaction to the Cosby case that the women were stupid and didn't have their husbands around is a harmful statement and untrue.

I can't keep saying this, I am not. To make it clear. Rape is wrong and the rapist is at fault. Ok? But, if you put yourself in a position where it is likely to happen, or has more chance to happen, you are stupid, whoever you are. You appear to be saying that women can do anything and nothing will go wrong, yet you say further down that groping etc does occur. Make up your mind.

Great. A rape joke. Not funny.

Not a joke. It fits. You say and it is fine, but I say it and it is not. You have a preconceived idea there i think.

Take out the lions den.



You can also teach people just as passionately to not rape. Teach consent. That is more effective than teaching girls to never go anywhere without a male escort. Her escort might not understand what consent looks like if he decides she might be a good time.

Fine, but what of keeping away from certain situations, certain people? I see no acknowledgement from you on this at all. I would hate to think that anyone I knew was with you or listening to you.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It is a deflection symptomatic of a far too prevalent attitude.

Good humour is good, it allows people to talk. Being to serious starts fights.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is a deflection symptomatic of a far too prevalent attitude.

I introduced this controversy, one which you said naught about until this thread. Tis clear that you're not one of my fans, but try to get it right. "Deflection" is the opposite of my intent.
You might address the issue instead of continually carping about us posters.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good humour is good, it allows people to talk. Being to serious starts fights.

That should be "too", not "to", ya blither'n poodle launderer!

 

[Revoltingest]

Personal attack from a clown? I shall never go to the circus again

Well, he is one of the least creepy of all clowns.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It is a deflection symptomatic of a far too prevalent attitude.

Yep.

So, if somebody jokes to me that I'm stupid enough to be assaulted and almost murdered, and that if I respond with contempt, that the problem is actually me.

Or...that somebody just a couple of posts ago joked to me that I should be attacked.

Those kinds of statements are glossed over. I shouldn't be used to that, but I am.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep.
So, if somebody jokes to me that I'm stupid enough to be assaulted and almost murdered, and that if I respond with contempt, that the problem is actually me.
Or...that somebody just a couple of posts ago joked to me that I should be attacked.
Those kinds of statements are glossed over. I shouldn't be used to that, but I am.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, wasn't your post #345 a joke about sexual assault?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Yep.

So, if somebody jokes to me that I'm stupid enough to be assaulted and almost murdered, and that if I respond with contempt, that the problem is actually me.

Or...that somebody just a couple of posts ago joked to me that I should be attacked.

Those kinds of statements are glossed over. I shouldn't be used to that, but I am.

If you speak of me, you misread yet again. I think perhaps you have selective eyesight.