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Bin Laden Hero or villain?

Bismillah

Bismillah

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Well then he should have stopped associating Allah's name with his violence.
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Why? That does nothing to show that the things he was fighting were worldy causes such as the Saudi monarchy and American imperialism. He viewed himself as a religious warrior fighting the influences of the West.
 
Tamar

Tamar

I am Jewish.
bin laden was a small man who killed on a massive scale by sending others do to his terror acts for him. He was killed standing behind a woman.

bin laden is not in paradise but in hell where he deserves to be.
 
J

Jistheman

Member
I think this guy got it spot on.

http://cognitiveanomalies.com/a-history-of-cowards/

Bin Laden was a coward.

kai said:
I have a question for Muslims mainly and others as long as it can be kept civil i detect a certain turmoil as to how to view Bin Laden. I want to put forward the information that i have come across concerning the fact that the majority of deaths caused by Alqueda have been Muslim deaths.

The fact is that the vast majority
of al‐Qa’ida’s victims are Muslims: the analysis here shows that only 15% of the
fatalities resulting from al‐Qa’ida attacks between 2004 and 2008 were Westerners.


During
the most recent period studied the numbers skew even further. From 2006 to 2008, only
2% (12 of 661 victims) are from the West, and the remaining 98% are inhabitants of
countries with Muslim majorities. During this period, a person of non‐Western origin
was 54 times more likely to die in an al‐Qa’ida attack than an individual from the West


In 2007 and 2008 attacks leveled
off to 30 and 29, respectively, but there are almost no Western fatalities (12 of 571
victims). Irrespective of statements made by Zawahiri and others, the figures, drawn
from exclusively Arabic news sources, show that the Muslims they claim to protect are
much more likely to be the targets of al‐Qa’ida violence than the Western powers they
claim to fight.




source;

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/deadly vanguards_complete_l.pdf


In light of this information can any Muslim really consider this man and Alqueda to be Mujahid ?
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atropine

atropine

Somewhere Out There
In my opinion... Neither.

I think he was a sad, twisted man that did horrible, deplorable things. But I am not sure he is/was "evil", as I hate using that term at all. I see him much the way I see Hitler: a poor soul that got lost somewhere along the way, and made terrible, terrible mistakes. I think they were brilliant men who could have done so much good for the world, but instead used their power and intelligence to hurt others.

If an afterlife exists, I hope he does pay for what he does, but I also hope that-- if possible-- he can find redemption, forgiveness and become a better soul in the end. I think everyone deserves a second chance, and if there is an afterlife or reincarnation or somesuch, I hope he is healed and comes back for a second chance to make the world a BETTER place.
 
Bismillah

Bismillah

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Who cares about what he was. Those that support him often do so not because of his actions but because of what shaped him to act as he did. You want Muslims to support American ideals, reform American foreign policy otherwise this entire thing is a red herring from the real and obvious issues.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Junglej25 said:
I'm highly suspicious of the so called moderate Muslims who preach about peace and love. Why? Because I've seen many videos just like this one. I also realize that these so called moderate Muslims in America wouldn't dare to praise Bin Laden even if in their heart they admired him.
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Let me get this straight. You think American Muslims are worthy of suspicion because you've seen videos of Afghan Muslims who praise Bin Laden? Is that the extent of your reasoning?
 
-Peacemaker-

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Sunstone said:
Let me get this straight. You think American Muslims are worthy of suspicion because you've seen videos of Afghan Muslims who praise Bin Laden? Is that the extent of your reasoning?
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It's the shared religion that concerns me. The Muslims in the Middle East hate us. They constantly talk about how the United States and Israel are waging war on Islam and babble about how they're the victims of 21st century crusades. Why should I believe the Muslims in America feel any differently if this is a religious beef more than it is a political one for them.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Junglej25 said:
It's the shared religion that concerns me. The Muslims in the Middle East hate us. They constantly talk about how the United States and Israel are waging war on Islam and babble about how they're the victims of 21st century crusades. Why should I believe the Muslims in America feel any differently if this is a religious beef more than it is a political one for them.
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Christopher Hedges, who is a journalist that spent 20 years covering the Middle East for the New York Times, has reported that Muslims were almost universally horrified by Bin Laden's attacks on 9/11. Bin Laden was denounced in the mosques and in the street as an imposter who had no right to issue fatwas, and he was condemned as a criminal. Now, I wasn't there, but I have no reason to disbelieve Hedges.

However, Hedges goes on to say that, once America invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, Muslim public opinion turned against us. In other words, the shift in public opinion was not caused by their religion, but by our actions.
 
-Peacemaker-

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Sunstone said:
Christopher Hedges, who is a journalist that spent 20 years covering the Middle East for the New York Times, has reported that Muslims were almost universally horrified by Bin Laden's attacks on 9/11. Bin Laden was denounced in the mosques and in the street as an imposter who had no right to issue fatwas, and he was condemned as a criminal. Now, I wasn't there, but I have no reason to disbelieve Hedges.

However, Hedges goes on to say that, once America invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, Muslim public opinion turned against us. In other words, the shift in public opinion was not caused by their religion, but by our actions.
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It's just interesting that the entire Islamic world is against us irrespective of race and nationality. If that doesn't make someone concerned about the motives of Muslims EVERYWHERE then they're just being naive.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Junglej25 said:
It's just interesting that the entire Islamic world is against us irrespective of race and nationality. If that doesn't make someone concerned about the motives of Muslims EVERYWHERE then they're just being naive.
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Then call me naive.
 
-Peacemaker-

-Peacemaker-

.45 Cal
Bismillah said:
You sound paranoid, that's pretty pathetic.
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I understand the power of blindly followed religious doctrine. I'm not naive to the fact that preaching about the "infidels" in the West isn't nearly as popular in western countries where Muslims are vastly outnumbered. On the other hand, the sentiment about the West being the epitomy of evil seems to be unanimous where Muslims hold a majority. Is it due to Muslims becoming enlightened by democracy and secular government or is it due to fear of the vast non-Muslim majority that we don't hear these hate filled speeches about the West in western countries?
 
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