Birmingham Muslims pull their kids out of LGBT-inclusive lessons

[sooda]

IMHO often when people talk about "protecting children from adult concepts" what they really mean is "discussing this with my kids makes me uncomfortable". I certainly understand that. It makes me uncomfortable discussing sexual matters with my daughter. I was as surprised as anyone to find out that it bothered me, but here we are. But even though it does bother me, I still do it, because sometimes being a good parent means dealing with situations that make you uncomfortable, if it's for the long term wellbeing of the child. Ultimately, I'd much prefer my child gets sound information from me or a teacher and have to endure a 5 minute uncomfortable conversation, than avoid the uncomfortable conversation and have her learn about sex in rumours and stories from the little monsters on the playground.

That's not true at all.. You are assuming it makes a parent uncomfortable.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

That's not true at all.. You are assuming it makes a parent uncomfortable.

Hence the IMHO at the start of the post. I am assuming it, based on my own experience and observing others.

And, again, with respect, your reaction to the notion of exposing children to basic concepts such as the existence of homosexuals does rather suggest you are uncomfortable about it.

 

[sooda]

Hence the IMHO at the start of the post. I am assuming it, based on my own experience and observing others.

And, again, with respect, your reaction to the notion of exposing children to basic concepts such as the existence of homosexuals does rather suggest you are uncomfortable about it.

By 1986 four of my children were grown ...and I never balked at answering their questions.. In fact, I was considered quite liberal in terms of raising children.. and I still don't think that in discussing blended families or two mothers needs to include discussion about sexual orientation in primary school.

 

[icehorse]

You seem to be suggesting that there is only one path - I would suggest otherwise.

Not at all. I'm sure that there are many paths. But it seems extremely unlikely that pretending Islam supports human rights, is one of them.

 

[Altfish]

Islam is all about the submission of non-Muslims.

That has never changed over the last 1400 years and it never will.

And how often have you been suppressed?

 

[Notanumber]

And how often have you been suppressed?

It is not all about me. I happen to be concerned about others such as those LGBT Muslims.

 

[Altfish]

It is not all about me. I happen to be concerned about others such as those LGBT Muslims.

My LGBT family members have not been suppressed either. - Here you go again PROJECT FEAR

 

[Notanumber]

My LGBT family members have not been suppressed either. - Here you go again PROJECT FEAR

Do you defend the rights of people that wish to mutilate their children as well?

 

[Altfish]

Do you defend the rights of people that wish to mutilate their children as well?

I'M NOT DEFENDING THOSE WANTING TO 'SURPRESS' AND CERTAINLY NOT THOSE CARRYING OUT FGM.

I'm just not accusing everyone of one religion of the same crime as you appear to be doing.
What about the Jews and circumcision, I'm against that too. Certainly when carried out on babies. OK, when you are 18 you can get yourself circumcised. Are you condemning Jews too.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Not at all. I'm sure that there are many paths. But it seems extremely unlikely that pretending Islam supports human rights, is one of them.

I don't pretend 'Islam' supports human rights, if that is what you are suggesting - clearly, a fair few Muslims' versions of Islam don't. But adhering to one particular reformist version of Islam isn't the only path. Your default position seems to be that 'Islam' this or 'Islam' that, when in reality there is no one monolithic 'Islam' that supports or doesn't support this or that. Much as there is no one monolithic 'Christianity' or 'Judaism' or 'Hinduism' or whatever.

 

[Notanumber]

I totally disagree with what they are protesting for but I will defend their right to do so.

Therefore, you defend the right of a privileged group to protest in favour of homophobia on the streets of the UK even though you disagree with them.

Would you defend the right of UKIP to do the same?

Is FGM a major problem in Judaism?

Don't compare male circumcision with FGM

Newspaper Lies About Jews, Female Circumcision

 

[icehorse]

I don't pretend 'Islam' supports human rights, if that is what you are suggesting - clearly, a fair few Muslims' versions of Islam don't. But adhering to one particular reformist version of Islam isn't the only path. Your default position seems to be that 'Islam' this or 'Islam' that, when in reality there is no one monolithic 'Islam' that supports or doesn't support this or that. Much as there is no one monolithic 'Christianity' or 'Judaism' or 'Hinduism' or whatever.

And you seem to be pretending that we can't find common themes in Islamic thinking from region to region and culture to culture. Islam isn't monolithic you say? doh! But there are common and problematic themes.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

And you seem to be pretending that we can't find common themes in Islamic thinking from region to region and culture to culture. Islam isn't monolithic you say? doh! But there are common and problematic themes.

What problematic themes are you referring to, that cut across liberal, progressive, reformist, and modernist as well as more conservative and traditional lines?

 

[sooda]

Hence the IMHO at the start of the post. I am assuming it, based on my own experience and observing others.

And, again, with respect, your reaction to the notion of exposing children to basic concepts such as the existence of homosexuals does rather suggest you are uncomfortable about it.

Not in primary school. Did you also tell them that there was no Santa Claus and that HIV exists? How about prostitution?

 

[Altfish]

Therefore, you defend the right of a privileged group to protest in favour of homophobia on the streets of the UK even though you disagree with them.

Would you defend the right of UKIP to do the same?

Is FGM a major problem in Judaism?

Don't compare male circumcision with FGM

Newspaper Lies About Jews, Female Circumcision

Do you not read my posts??
I have said time and again that I believe in anyone's right to protest (as long as they are not inciting violence and it is a peaceful protest) so yes I will defend UKIP's right to protest.

You claim to defend Free Speech, you don't even know what it entails.

I'm sorry, mutilation of babies is a problem, no circumcision is not as bad as FGM, but it is child abuse.
If Jews want to be circumcised they can do it themselves when they are 18.

 

[icehorse]

What problematic themes are you referring to, that cut across liberal, progressive, reformist, and modernist as well as more conservative and traditional lines?

Across the broad Muslim world, from western Africa, through the ME through to Indonesia, many regions and many cultures, we see misogyny, homophobia, theocracy, anti-semitism and so-on being extremely common in the Muslim majority world.

 

[Altfish]

Therefore, you defend the right of a privileged group to protest in favour of homophobia on the streets of the UK even though you disagree with them.

Would you defend the right of UKIP to do the same?

Is FGM a major problem in Judaism?

Don't compare male circumcision with FGM

Newspaper Lies About Jews, Female Circumcision

btw two Jewish written articles are unlikely to be fair and balanced.

 

[sooda]

Therefore, you defend the right of a privileged group to protest in favour of homophobia on the streets of the UK even though you disagree with them.

Would you defend the right of UKIP to do the same?

Is FGM a major problem in Judaism?

Don't compare male circumcision with FGM

Newspaper Lies About Jews, Female Circumcision

FGM is not Islamic. FGM predates Islam and comes from ancient Egypt and East Africa. Its matrilineal.

 

[sooda]

Across the broad Muslim world, from western Africa, through the ME through to Indonesia, many regions and many cultures, we see misogyny, homophobia, theocracy, anti-semitism and so-on being extremely common in the Muslim majority world.

You read it on the internet, did you?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Across the broad Muslim world, from western Africa, through the ME through to Indonesia, many regions and many cultures, we see misogyny, homophobia, theocracy, anti-semitism and so-on being extremely common in the Muslim majority world.

You didn't answer my question.