Birmingham Muslims pull their kids out of LGBT-inclusive lessons

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How did you get my garbage bags!!!!? oh wait

 

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But children are a lot more sophisticated than previous generations.

In my experience I figured out there were gay people long before the school taught me the subject or it become a normal part of TV. My uncle is gay so it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together.

 

[SomeRandom]

In my experience I figured out there were gay people long before the school taught me the subject or it become a normal part of TV. My uncle is gay so it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together.

Same. My parents’ close friends had two daughters roughly my age, so we grew up together. Their beloved older brother is gay, as is the son of another set of family friends. Which is pretty much how I learnt of the concept.

 

[Notanumber]

This world is becoming very complicated in deed.

 

[Notanumber]

It just gets worse.

Is the writing on the wall for LGBT in Britain and how is the Left going to respond?

 

[Cooky]

Such a pretty place Birmingstan is.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

A clip from a Sky News interview where a Muslim man admits what all this is really about: to stop his children learning that gay people exist in order to protect his religion.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1107795332726999

 

[Notanumber]

This woman makes some very good points.

Is that bloke with the microphone our new education minister?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Unfortunately it seems like Parkfield Community school was the crack in the dam. Other schools in Birmingham are now dropping the No Outsiders curriculum and Muslim parents have started raising complaints about the curriculum in Manchester.

One of the Parkfield protest leaders has said protesting the curriculum is not about being homophobic.

"Fundamentally the issue we have with No Outsiders is that it is changing our children's moral position on family values on sexuality and we are a traditional community.

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."

I can't wait for someone to point out to Mr Ahmed that his analogy is flawed because if people protest about schools teaching children about Islam as part of an RMPS curriculum they are by-and-large condemned as Islamophobes.


It seems like the protesters don't seem to be too self aware. They're buying into the 'gay propaganda & indoctrination' myths perpetuated by homophobes the world over, and now they're complaining that they're viewed as homophobic, and that they are the victims in all this.

'Mr Ahmed said his community was "respectful and tolerant" of British values but now felt victimised.

He claimed parents who had protested were "effectively seen as homophobes in the wider community.'

If you protest about peoples' inclusion in society you're going to be seen as being intolerant of that group.

I can't believe years of activism, struggle and courage by LGBTs are being thrown away in order to appease a religious group few seem brave enough to challenge on this.

Here is an excellent piece written by the Muslim heritage group Sedaa on why the Parkfield protests are about homophobia.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The UK has been undermine rights for decades. Now the UK decides those rights are applicable to one group, Muslims, but not Christians when they complained.

I concur. There are Christian parents who jumped on this bandwagon but it's not difficult to surmise they'd have received only a fraction of the sympathy & accommodation the Muslim parents have received if they had started this themselves.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Unfortunately it seems like Parkfield Community school was the crack in the dam. Other schools in Birmingham are now dropping the No Outsiders curriculum and Muslim parents have started raising complaints about the curriculum in Manchester.

One of the Parkfield protest leaders has said protesting the curriculum is not about being homophobic.

"Fundamentally the issue we have with No Outsiders is that it is changing our children's moral position on family values on sexuality and we are a traditional community.

"Morally we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have. It's not about being homophobic... that's like saying, if you don't believe in Islam, you're Islamophobic."

I can't wait for someone to point out to Mr Ahmed that his analogy is flawed because if people protest about schools teaching children about Islam as part of an RMPS curriculum they are by-and-large condemned as Islamophobes.

Also, this is akin to pulling your children out of classes on racial diversity and saying:

"Morally, we do not accept black people as valid people. It's not about being racist."

 

[Twilight Hue]

A primary school in Birmingham is at the centre of a furore surrounding the teaching of lessons designed to teach children about social diversity. This doesn't just cover LGBT but also covers things like ethnicity, religion & different family compositions. Some kids at the school live with one parent, some live with two parents of the same sex etc

The issue started when Fatima Shah, a Muslim parent began objecting to 'No Outsiders'; a series of lessons designed by 'out' teacher Andrew Moffat. No Outsiders reinforces the innate desire of children to be accepting and tolerant. Shah was worried that her kids were too young to be taught about these subjects; claiming that they amount to 'promoting homosexuality' and 'indoctrinating our kids to be gay' and are not 'age appropriate'. One of the other arguments she also put forward is ' children are being told it's OK to be gay yet 98% of children at this school are Muslim. It's a Muslim community'. Roughly 400 parents have barely consulted with Parkfield Community School and have instead signed a petition calling for the lessons to be dropped from the curriculum.

They've also withdrawn circa 600 kids which is approximately 80% of the pupil population in protest.

To make matters worse, Shabana Mahmood, Labour MP for Birmingham Ladywood, has come out in support of the parents, claiming there is no consultation taking place.

Shabana Mahmood on Twitter

This is actually untrue as a letter published by the school makes clear: they're planning to hold various meetings with parents throughout the next half term - presumably to let parents view the lesson material for themselves. This was the result of a meeting held roughly a week before Mahmood claimed there has been no consultation.

Additionally, Mahmood demands that the pupils' parents' religious beliefs be respected with regard to the curriculum. She is referring to a clause in certain laws passed by the government which grant exemptions from inclusive education on religious grounds; this was essentially added to ensure the Lords Spiritual did not vote down the bill on the basis that Church of England schools would have to host these lessons or ones like them.

The more cynical part of me does wonder if Mahmood's support for the parents stems in part because she is Muslim; but I need to balance this with the fact Mahmood has apparently

This whole situation does beg the following questions:

1. Given that LGBT people exist and some Parkfield kids may even have LGBTs friends/family, what age do these parents think is appropriate for the children to learn they exist;
2. Whose rights should take precedence? The rights of religious parents to ensure their children are not taught contrary to their religious beliefs or the rights of the kids to a balanced education?

My thought was Primary School???

I have to agree that these kids are WAY too young to approach yet with these kinds of subjects.

They should just be learning how to use crayons and scissors and drawing simple shapes and singing the alphabet and rhymes.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A clip from a Sky News interview where a Muslim man admits what all this is really about: to stop his children learning that gay people exist in order to protect his religion.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1107795332726999

"This video doesn't exist, or you don't have permission to view it".


Oh Facebook ....the epitome of things to come. Censorship is a beautiful thing.

(For some people)

 

[Stanyon]

At my local SACRE meeting about a week ago this topic came up.
The Hindu representative had great concerns about any LGBT lesson being taught; he kept using the word "promote" - "the lesson was promoting homosexuality" and the likes.
I interupted him and said, "You are using inflamatory language, the lessons are 'promoting' nothing. They are explaining that in 2019 these are some sexual life styles that you might hear about. It was a bit like saying teaching about WW2 was promoting war"

There are a lot of misconceptions, like the 'Christian' parents who pull their kids out of trips to the mosque.

There are numerous examples of Muslim parents pulling kids from sex education classes.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

My thought was Primary School???

I have to agree that these kids are WAY too young to approach yet with these kinds of subjects.

They should just be learning how to use crayons and scissors and drawing simple shapes and singing the alphabet and rhymes.

They're not being taught about sex or about the complexities of relationships - something which will be taught in high school. They're being taught that LGBT people & families exist. That's it. It's also worth bearing in mind Ofsted, the education regulator, has deemed the No Outsiders curriculum 'age appropriate'.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They're not being taught about sex or about the complexities of relationships - something which will be taught in high school. They're being taught that LGBT people & families exist. That's it. It's also worth bearing in mind Ofsted, the education regulator, has deemed the No Outsiders curriculum 'age appropriate'.

I dunno. If it was that benign what's all the fuss over then? It sounds like it's really more of an issue with adults than the kids themselves who probably don't care one way or another at that age.

 

[Shad]

I concur. There are Christian parents who jumped on this bandwagon but it's not difficult to surmise they'd have received only a fraction of the sympathy & accommodation the Muslim parents have received if they had started this themselves.

The evidence is not scant as the government stopped the lesson plan when Muslims complained but not other religions' followers.

The Left is eating itself again

 

[columbus]

My thought was Primary School???

I have to agree that these kids are WAY too young to approach yet with these kinds of subjects.

They should just be learning how to use crayons and scissors and drawing simple shapes and singing the alphabet and rhymes.

Why?
When my niece was in first grade one of the lessons was about family tree. It was partly a writing exercise. But she had no problem putting me and my partner out on a branch along with her other various aunts and uncles and their spouses.

Kids understand a lot of things that their parents struggle with. To her, it was utterly simple.
Tom

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I dunno. If it was that benign what's all the fuss over then? It sounds like it's really more of an issue with adults than the kids themselves who probably don't care one way or another at that age.

Sort of answered your own question there. It's just (mostly) Muslims homophobes jumping the gun and reacting out of hysteria.

 

[Notanumber]

Islam rules!

The UK has a dualistic society now being enforced by our own police service.