Two brief requests:
- Drop the pretention. The overwhelming majority of the "ante-Nicean" [sic!] never addressed the issue.
- see post 29
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Birth of Jesus in summer, according to Qur'an
- Thread starter peacecrusader888
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Two brief requests:
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
1. I spell it that way on purpose. It looks better to me.
Also, I'm aware the vast majority did not address the issue, but some did; those are the one's I'm referring to.2. Ok.
:slap:
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Read through any of the ante-Nicean church fathers who debated this question
For example?
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
It's been years since I've studied that topic, I'll have to go back through and try and find my notes, if I still have them.
I'll wait ...
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
O.k. that's some pretty good evidence. I'm inclined to believe something along these lines, then, unless someone else presents evidence to the contrary.
Muffled
Jesus in me
The dates would have had to be provided by God out of seson because Jesus was born in December according to the Bible which does give the month by way of arithmetic. Anyone knows that gestation takes nine months.
The shepherds in the fields is speculation. It was not a normal situation. They were there for the census but there was no room at the inn for anyone and certainly not animals.
Nabeel Akhalwaya Motala
Member
We have little evidence, but it is said that those who believe even though they have not witnessed are indeed more blessed than those who have believed after witnessing!
peacecrusader888
Active Member
20111126.2140
Was Jesus born in winter—in December as what the Western churches believe or in January as what the Orthodox churches believe? Was Jesus born in summer as what is stated in the Qur’an?
A spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy Spirit, told us that Jesus was born on May 23. A spring date. I first heard this date in 1983. When we connected to the Internet in 1999, that is 16 years later, I asked biblical scholars and calendar experts whether there is any ring of truth in this. No one believed. Some even laughed and said that I am crazy. So I embarked on my studies.
In 2003, I was able to prove that the crucifixion date of August 17 that He revealed which I also first heard in 1983, is true and correct. The year is 1 BC. Then I checked His birth date. In 2006, I was able to prove that it is also true and correct. The year—33 BC. Jesus was 32 solar years old when He died. You may check the studies that I made at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm and http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm. Please raise your questions and I will try to answer them.
Was Jesus born in winter—in December as what the Western churches believe or in January as what the Orthodox churches believe? Was Jesus born in summer as what is stated in the Qur’an?
A spirit, a holy spirit, THE Holy Spirit, told us that Jesus was born on May 23. A spring date. I first heard this date in 1983. When we connected to the Internet in 1999, that is 16 years later, I asked biblical scholars and calendar experts whether there is any ring of truth in this. No one believed. Some even laughed and said that I am crazy. So I embarked on my studies.
In 2003, I was able to prove that the crucifixion date of August 17 that He revealed which I also first heard in 1983, is true and correct. The year is 1 BC. Then I checked His birth date. In 2006, I was able to prove that it is also true and correct. The year—33 BC. Jesus was 32 solar years old when He died. You may check the studies that I made at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm and http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm. Please raise your questions and I will try to answer them.
LeftishBritInPA
Member
A lot of Christian thinkers believe that Jesus was born in the summer. The Bible mentions that the shepherds were tending to their flocks.
peacecrusader888
Active Member
20111128.2335
@LeftishBritInPA
A lot of Christian thinkers? Why is it that it is zero vote for summer, and for winter also, in When was Yeshua born?. All five votes say it is Other [than summer or winter].
As I have said, Jesus was born on May 23, a spring date. This date was revealed by no other than the Holy Spirit. A spring birth agrees with accounts in the Holy Bible. Did you know the year? It is 33 BC! It is not 1 BC or thereabout. You may check the study that I made, the results of which are in http://aristean.org/birthmay23.htm. If you have any questions, please raise them in this forum and we will discuss.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
why do you think he was born in 1bce?
peacecrusader888
Active Member
20111129.2215
Jesus was NOT born in 1 BCE. He died in 1 BC.
Did you know that Jesus was born on May 23, 33 BC?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
he died in 1bce. Hmmm. That means he died around the same time as Herod the Great... and he died before John the baptist started preaching. John the baptist was Jesus cousin... they were born 6 mths apart and do you know when John began preaching???
luke 3:3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Ti‧be′ri‧us Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju‧de′a, and Herod was district ruler of Gal′i‧lee, but Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It‧u‧rae′a and Trach‧o‧ni′tis, and Ly‧sa′ni‧as was district ruler of Ab‧i‧le′ne, 2 in the days of chief priest An′nas and of Ca′ia‧phas, Gods declaration came to John the son of Zech‧a‧ri′ah in the wilderness
Augustus died on August 17, 14 C.E. (Gregorian calendar), And the Roman Senate named Tiberius emperor on September 15 of the same year. His 15th year is 29ce.
Jesus came to John to be baptized and then Jesus began his own ministry. How did you come up with such dates??
peacecrusader888
Active Member
he died in 1bce. Hmmm. That means he died around the same time as Herod the Great... and he died before John the baptist started preaching. John the baptist was Jesus cousin... they were born 6 mths apart and do you know when John began preaching???
luke 3:3 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Ti‧be′ri‧us Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju‧de′a, and Herod was district ruler of Gal′i‧lee, but Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It‧u‧rae′a and Trach‧o‧ni′tis, and Ly‧sa′ni‧as was district ruler of Ab‧i‧le′ne, 2 in the days of chief priest An′nas and of Ca′ia‧phas, Gods declaration came to John the son of Zech‧a‧ri′ah in the wilderness
Augustus died on August 17, 14 C.E. (Gregorian calendar), And the Roman Senate named Tiberius emperor on September 15 of the same year. His 15th year is 29ce.
Jesus came to John to be baptized and then Jesus began his own ministry. How did you come up with such dates??
20111130.1530
@Pegg
You are assuming that Jesus was crucified in about 33 AD. But He was actually crucified and died in 1 BC. BC and AD assume that Jesus was born in 1 BC. In the new Aristean Perpetual Calendar, 1 BC would become year 0 when Jesus died. Before this would be called BCJ or Before Crucifixion of Jesus and after this would be called ADJ or After Death of Jesus. So the date May 23, 33 BC when Jesus was born would become May 23, 32 BCJ.
The point of reckoning is the crucifixion and death of Jesus and not His birth. So when Augustus Caesar died, it would be in 20 BCJ. It is also the start of the reign of Tiberius Caesar.
Herod the Great died in 33 BC. John the Baptist started preaching in 6 BC. John was born on November 18, 34 BC. He is six months older than Jesus who was born on May 23, 33 BC.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
sorry you'll have to forgive my ignorance, but i've never heard of the new Aristean Perpetual Calendar and how is the year 'O' even counted as a year??? its not a number!
I think its best though to stick to the calendars in use during the time that Jesus lived if you want to get a more accurate date. Besides that, you should also stick to the scriptures because that is the record written by those who were actually there.
but where do you get that specific date from? Why 20 'BCJ' and what the heck is BCJ anyway
Why do you think Herod died in 33 BC???
Most historians place his death between 4BC - 1CE... what is the basis for 33BC??
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
Creating new calendars to try to make fictitious stories seem more plausible doesn't actually make it so.
Nabeel Akhalwaya Motala
Member
God is capable of anything and so you can't say that it was summer because the dates were ripe. Allah (SWT) can bring forth ripe dates on the planet Pluto if He wants to.