Bisexuality Confirmed!

[JacobEzra.]

one wonders why the things that were supposedly taught by jesus in luke 6 is over looked when applying how believers are to interact with non believers or people who do not agree with your POV.
seems to me you are using the bible to justify your bigotry.
what makes me wonder is, if god gave us free will...an inalienable right... meaning something that is not transferable. why are you imposing your religious beliefs on others that do not adhere to the same belief?
seems like this tactic is stemming from the fear of not being in control of others actions...

lol "bigotry" :discrimination" blah blah blah.

Makes me wonder, why you even pretend to follow God, when you argue for something against God.

 

[waitasec]

lol "bigotry" :discrimination" blah blah blah.

Makes me wonder, why you even pretend to follow God, when you argue for something against God.

how am i arguing against god?

 

[JacobEzra.]

how am i arguing against god?

By disregarding his appointed. You make a point that Jesus didn't speak on homosexuality. That is true.

But you use that as a bases for an argument for homosexuality, when in fact st. Paul, one who was appointed by Christ, spoke out against it.

Not only do you disregard the fact of being appointed and given authority in the church, you also disregard Jesus in trusting that he would pick the right people to lead and teach.

 

[waitasec]

By disregarding his appointed. You make a point that Jesus didn't speak on homosexuality. That is true.

while you disregard what jesus says about your behavior in regards to unbelievers.
what paul was talking about is that his religion would not allow certain things, however the church is in the world and not of the world, correct?
what credit is to you if you love those who love you?
this line of thinking is self defeating if you are to demonstrate gods love.

But you use that as a bases for an argument for homosexuality, when in fact st. Paul, one who was appointed by Christ, spoke out against it.

for believers

Not only do you disregard the fact of being appointed and given authority in the church, you also disregard Jesus in trusting that he would pick the right people to lead and teach.

lead who the world or the church?

 

[Acim]

Bisexuals are also heterosexual.

Somewhere in here is a topic. I could've sworn.

 

[JacobEzra.]

while you disregard what jesus says about your behavior in regards to unbelievers.
what paul was talking about is that his religion would not allow certain things, however the church is in the world and not of the world, correct?
what credit is to you if you love those who love you?
this line of thinking is self defeating if you are to demonstrate gods love.

Christ said to love others. He never said to support sinful behavior. I do not disregard Christ.

I will be charitable, and loving to another human, regardless is they are gay or black or Jewish or whatever. But I will not support something sinful.

 

[Darkness]

First off, I'd like to point out that bisexuality, homosexuality and lesbianism have long existed, so a study showing that is really just like saying there are stars in the sky. We all know it. That doesn't mean that I'm not against it though; in fact, I'm staunchly anti-homo/bisexuality.

I have read your posts throughout this thread, and while I agree with you being against homosexuality/bisexuality, that still doesn't explain why you're so hellbent on using Paul's words in Jesus' stead. You might argue that "But Jesus appointed him blah blah blah" but it'll still be meaningless. Fact of the matter is, you're trying to use the cop out that "Paul was an apostle" in lieu of providing any useful argument to back yourself up and are calling others trolls instead.

Let me ask you pointblank, and please answer this question. Why is homosexuality immoral? Whom does it harm?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Let me ask you pointblank, and please answer this question. Why is homosexuality immoral? Whom does it harm?

It is a major sin in my religion (and others, too), among other reasons. I don't think it would mean anything to go on an argument about why it is wrong/immoral/sinful with someone who doesn't believe in a religion that forbids it, though, so I'll just be succinct and say that God strictly forbids it in my religion, and if God forbids something, it must not be right.

 

[Darkness]

It is a major sin in my religion (and others, too), among other reasons. I don't think it would mean anything to go on an argument about why it is wrong/immoral/sinful with someone who doesn't believe in a religion that forbids it, though, so I'll just be succinct and say that God strictly forbids it in my religion, and if God forbids something, it must not be right.

Let me go about this another way. Why does God consider homosexuality to be immoral? What reason does God have for forbidding these two girls from loving each other?

 

[Alceste]

I'm not against any race whatsoever, and I certainly am not a racist to hate on Asians or any other race for that matter.

So your bigotry and hate is reserved exclusively for homosexuals. Interesting - I would have thought there would be other demographics you'd hate, too, if your hatred of homosexuals is motivated by xenophobia (fear of a cultural group you are not familiar with).

Did you know that homophobic men are far more likely than men who are comfortable with gays to be aroused by gay pornography? You can read about the research here.

In light of that fact, is there any chance you might be homosexual yourself, and that is what is really at the root of your "staunchly anti-gay" attitude?

I mean, "my religion is against it" is a pretty weak argument, since the majority of religious people happily ignore the majority of whatever their religions happen to be against. If you feel particularly strongly about homosexuality - as opposed to, say, usury - then it may be a sign that you have a strong, secret craving for a bit of man on man action yourself.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Let me go about this another way. Why does God consider homosexuality to be immoral? What reason does God have for forbidding these two girls from loving each other?

Impurity and obscenity of same-sex acts are a couple, but I'm not one to judge God's decisions based on my own interpretation of things. Like I said, if you don't believe in any religion that frowns upon homosexuality, there's a very good chance that you might not have any problems with it (although that's not always the case), which is why I think it's pointless discussing such topic.

So your bigotry and hate is reserved exclusively for homosexuals. Interesting - I would have thought there would be other demographics you'd hate, too, if your hatred of homosexuals is motivated by xenophobia (fear of a cultural group you are not familiar with).

Did you know that homophobic men are far more likely than men who are comfortable with gays to be aroused by gay pornography? You can read about the research here.

In light of that fact, is there any chance you might be homosexual yourself, and that is what is really at the root of your "staunchly anti-gay" attitude?

I mean, "my religion is against it" is a pretty weak argument, since the majority of religious people happily ignore the majority of whatever their religions happen to be against. If you feel particularly strongly about homosexuality - as opposed to, say, usury - then it may be a sign that you have a strong, secret craving for a bit of man on man action yourself.

I'm against usury, premarital sex, homosexuality and gambling.

About the "secret craving part"; no, I don't secretly or explicitly "crave man on man" action. Like I said, I'm strongly against it, as is the case with the aforementioned acts.

I'm a devout religious person, so I follow my religion's teachings and not pick out some and leave some. I follow it as it is.

I don't know why you're so offended by it though; isn't everyone entitled to their opinion? Why should it be a problem when it pertains to homosexuality?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Bisexuals are also heterosexual.

Somewhere in here is a topic. I could've sworn.

:biglaugh:

I love this thread. Really......I do.

 

[JacobEzra.]

So your bigotry and hate is reserved exclusively for homosexuals. Interesting - I would have thought there would be other demographics you'd hate, too, if your hatred of homosexuals is motivated by xenophobia (fear of a cultural group you are not familiar with).

LOL yeah, its hardcore bigotry and hate if you are against homosexual marriage!

Haha! Usually bigotry and hate manifests its way through how one treats someone that is different. Not about a political issue. Saying gay sex and gay marriage is wrong, does not equal to gay bashing.

 

[Darkness]

LOL yeah, its hardcore bigotry and hate if you are against homosexual marriage!

Haha! Usually bigotry and hate manifests its way through how one treats someone that is different. Not about a political issue. Saying gay sex and gay marriage is wrong, does not equal to gay bashing.

Is it bigotry and hate if you do not want blacks in your neighbourhood?

 

[Darkness]

Impurity and obscenity of same-sex acts are a couple, but I'm not one to judge God's decisions based on my own interpretation of things. Like I said, if you don't believe in any religion that frowns upon homosexuality, there's a very good chance that you might not have any problems with it (although that's not always the case), which is why I think it's pointless discussing such topic.

Just so we are clear, you do not believe homosexuality is harmful, but that it merely is immoral because of impurity and obscenity? I essentially believe that is the case with people who are anti-gay. Jonathan Haidt, a moral psychologist, developed moral foundations theory. It asserts that progressives/liberals only hold two dimensions of morality: fairness and harm. Conservatives/traditionalists on the other hand have five dimensions of morality, adding: respect/authority, loyalty/ingroup and purity. I may disagree with the practice of incest, but only in so far as it leads to harm in the individuals (or if you could prove some general harm to society). If I were to make moral judgements based upon my notions of disgust, I would make it illegal for old people to have sex, and probably ugly people.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Just so we are clear, you do not believe homosexuality is harmful, but that it merely is immoral because of impurity and obscenity? I essentially believe that is the case with people who are anti-gay. Jonathan Haidt, a moral psychologist, developed moral foundations theory. It asserts that progressives/liberals only hold two dimensions of morality: fairness and harm. Conservatives/traditionalists on the other hand have five dimensions of morality, adding: respect/authority, loyalty/ingroup and purity. I may disagree with the practice of incest, but only in so far as it leads to harm in the individuals (or if you could prove some general harm to society). If I were to make moral judgements based upon my notions of disgust, I would make it illegal for old people to have sex, and probably ugly people.

I do believe it is harmful; impurity and obscenity cause harms as well. I'm not going to pull out the AIDS/HIV card because it's very old and will probably add nothing to the argument, but disagreeing personally is different from disagreeing based on beliefs held as being divine regulations.

Even if I had no trouble personally with homosexuality but my religion was against it, I would have followed my religion because this is not a matter of personal morals/ethics, it's a matter of a complete belief system.

 

[Alceste]

I'm against usury, premarital sex, homosexuality and gambling.

How does your feeling of being "staunchly anti-usury" manifest itself? Is it only that you have no debt yourself, or do you also actively oppose equal rights for people who carry debt?

About the "secret craving part"; no, I don't secretly or explicitly "crave man on man" action. Like I said, I'm strongly against it, as is the case with the aforementioned acts.

I'm a devout religious person, so I follow my religion's teachings and not pick out some and leave some. I follow it as it is.

I don't know why you're so offended by it though; isn't everyone entitled to their opinion? Why should it be a problem when it pertains to homosexuality?

I'm disgusted, not offended. Not all opinions are created equal. The opinion that homosexuality is wrong is exactly as unacceptable to me as the opinion that dark-skinned people are inferior to the light-skinned. In fact, there is no difference between these opinions.

 

[Alceste]

LOL yeah, its hardcore bigotry and hate if you are against homosexual marriage!

Haha! Usually bigotry and hate manifests its way through how one treats someone that is different. Not about a political issue. Saying gay sex and gay marriage is wrong, does not equal to gay bashing.

I can't be bothered to read anybody who starts every single post with "LOL". Seriously, man. Get a hold of yourself. Nothing in this thread has been that funny.

 

[Darkness]

I do believe it is harmful; impurity and obscenity cause harms as well. I'm not going to pull out the AIDS/HIV card because it's very old and will probably add nothing to the argument, but disagreeing personally is different from disagreeing based on beliefs held as being divine regulations.

Even if I had no trouble personally with homosexuality but my religion was against it, I would have followed my religion because this is not a matter of personal morals/ethics, it's a matter of a complete belief system.

What is the harm that it causes? Why does no religious person want to answer this simple question? As for the AIDS/HIV question here is how we debunk it: assume a gay couple waited to have sex until they were married. If it is still considered immoral than the possibility of STDs has to be a secondary concern and not a fundamental reason why it is immoral. I anxiously wait for you to list the harms.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I can't be bothered to read anybody who starts every single post with "LOL". Seriously, man. Get a hold of yourself. Nothing in this thread has been that funny.

I just wanted to let you know, that your jokes are pretty funny.

It can not be serious, when its so off the wall ridicules.

I guess anyone who does not agree with Israeli tactics, is anti-semitic to, right?