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Boys will be boys, so get used to it. . . Rape that is.

dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
I can't believe I am agreeing with Christians here... this is a bad story. 2 eye witnesses? I don't know these people or what they might have in store. I don't doubt the girls story is true, but I wouldn't doubt it if it was false. There just simply isn't enough information to give for me to make any real decision about it......
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
jamaesi said:
Why are people disbelieving this story?

This happens everywhere, every day. Rape survivors are disbelieved, belittled, blamed, encouraged not to seek justice, ignored... I'm not going to feign shock and outrage here, this is the same ****, different day.
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Sweden didn't do themselves any PR favours by sending InterPol after Julian Assange for engaging in what appears to be consensual sex. It's reasonable to be skeptical. I'd like to hear the details too (a rough outline of the charge, at least). If, like the woman who slept with Assange, she is only regretful because the "rapist" didn't use a condom while having consensual sex with her, the principal's reaction makes more sense.
 
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dust1n

dust1n

Zindīq
Apex said:
Seriously? You can't believe you are agreeing with Christians on something that has nothing to do with Christianity... biased much?
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What does bias have to do with what I said. Yes, every time I find myself in agreement with a Christian, it is somewhat surprising..? Just anecdotal statistics. I don't downplay Christians, I just hardly agree with them on most issues relating the ethics or religion...
 
Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
skwim said:
"after having been encouraged by a classmate, a female student went to the principal of the high school to report that she had been raped by another male student in february and march 2011.

The student reported the school to the schools inspectorate (skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the equality ombudsmannen (diskrimineringsombudsmannen - do).

According to the complaint filed with the schools inspectorate, the student was told by the principal:

"you file a police report if you want, although this is not a prioritized case as no serious crime has been committed."

the principal then told the student, who was accompanied by another member of staff at the time:

"guys do this kind of thing, you have to get used to it."

according to the report, when the girl's mother called the principal to discuss her comments, the principal told her that her daughter "should concentrate on her studies" and "to stop focusing on these trivialities"."
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reminds me of the sexual abuse depicted in the swedish novel the girl with the dragon tattoo by stieg larsson.
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cablescavenger

cablescavenger

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
"After having been encouraged by a classmate, a female student went to the principal of the high school to report that she had been raped by another male student in February and March 2011.

The student reported the school to the Schools Inspectorate (Skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the Equality Ombudsmannen (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen - DO).

According to the complaint filed with the Schools Inspectorate, the student was told by the principal:

"You file a police report if you want, although this is not a prioritized case as no serious crime has been committed."

The principal then told the student, who was accompanied by another member of staff at the time:

"Guys do this kind of thing, you have to get used to it."

According to the report, when the girl's mother called the principal to discuss her comments, the principal told her that her daughter "should concentrate on her studies" and "to stop focusing on these trivialities"."
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Reminds me of the sexual abuse depicted in the Swedish novel THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO by Stieg Larsson.
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There is more to this than meets the eye.
It seems half the community is involved in the row.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
You know, having had experience in peer counseling after surviving a brutal sexual assault in my life, this scenario is more common than some here may think. Socially and legally, there is more for the victim to overcome than the perpetrator. The victim - woman OR man - is not just dismissed, but maligned in the court of public opinion.

Interesting to note that EVERY story that surfaces of a rape accusation usually ends up in a "lack of evidence" and the plaintiff assumed to be simply going after money....the Duke lacrosse team, Ben Rothlesberger, a Kennedy family member, etc....

Ever notice that NONE of them ends in a rape conviction? Doesn't that ever seem odd?

Once one personally goes through the legal process and the court of public opinion, the understanding of the Rape Culture that maesi speaks of becomes astonishingly and painfully accurate.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
MysticSang'ha said:
You know, having had experience in peer counseling after surviving a brutal sexual assault in my life, this scenario is more common than some here may think. Socially and legally, there is more for the victim to overcome than the perpetrator. The victim - woman OR man - is not just dismissed, but maligned in the court of public opinion.

Interesting to note that EVERY story that surfaces of a rape accusation usually ends up in a "lack of evidence" and the plaintiff assumed to be simply going after money....the Duke lacrosse team, Ben Rothlesberger, a Kennedy family member, etc....

Ever notice that NONE of them ends in a rape conviction? Doesn't that ever seem odd?

Once one personally goes through the legal process and the court of public opinion, the understanding of the Rape Culture that maesi speaks of becomes astonishingly and painfully accurate.
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That rings true. I used to work for a therapist who actually advised her clients not to press charges because the process is so traumatic and almost never results in a conviction. It m made her blood boil, but she'd testified at so many trials that ended in acquittal and forced her client to endure character assassination in the process she decided it generally isn't worth it.

But this - a serial rapist who confessed and was twice convicted, with witnesses and DNA evidence... And the community is still on his side? That makes my jaw drop.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Alceste said:
That rings true. I used to work for a therapist who actually advised her clients not to press charges because the process is so traumatic and almost never results in a conviction. It m made her blood boil, but she'd testified at so many trials that ended in acquittal and forced her client to endure character assassination in the process she decided it generally isn't worth it.

But this - a serial rapist who confessed and was twice convicted, with witnesses and DNA evidence... And the community is still on his side? That makes my jaw drop.
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I know. The same dojo that trains my daughter in karate and me in self defense has taught more than it's fair share of women who moved from their hometowns, used PO boxes to hide their current address, and gut through every day as a drifter of sorts - all because they took their cases to court and discovered the process to be as bad if not worse than the crime itself...they receive death threats, for heavens sake.

Me? I'm just called a "whore." but I never pressed charges. A woman who was raped by the same man did...and he is out, free while she has disappeared.

We as a society don't want to accept this because it's a jagged pill to swallow, but it's a reality.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
ohhcuppycakee said:
Wow. And even after a second girl got raped they still didn't believe them!!! Absolutely disgusting...
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I know! I keep thinking there must be some other aspect of the story that would put the whole thing into focus, even if it exposes what I think of as the darkest side of human nature. For example, if the rapist is rich and the victim is poor, or if the boy is popular and the girl is not, then it is still ugly but I understand what is happening (though of course I don't condone it). If they were considered of equal standing in the community before the assault I simply can not understand the community's decision to rally around the rapist in blatant disregard for his convictions and confessions.

I will have to ask my psychoanalyst mother-in-law what she thinks of it all so it doesn't keep me awake at night.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Alceste said:
I know! I keep thinking there must be some other aspect of the story that would put the whole thing into focus, even if it exposes what I think of as the darkest side of human nature. For example, if the rapist is rich and the victim is poor, or if the boy is popular and the girl is not, then it is still ugly but I understand what is happening (though of course I don't condone it). If they were considered of equal standing in the community before the assault I simply can not understand the community's decision to rally around the rapist in blatant disregard for his convictions and confessions.

I will have to ask my psychoanalyst mother-in-law what she thinks of it all so it doesn't keep me awake at night.
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Personally? It's classic scapegoating and moral panic. Girls and women who dare to publicly accuse their rapists disrupt the social order of the patriarchal same-ol' same-ol'. How dare they? :rolleyes:
 
Drolefille

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
MysticSang'ha said:
Personally? It's classic scapegoating and moral panic. Girls and women who dare to publicly accuse their rapists disrupt the social order of the patriarchal same-ol' same-ol'. How dare they? :rolleyes:
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Yep, coupled with the refusal to believe that the nice son/neighbor/teacher etc who has always been so polite/helpful could EVER do something like that.

Most rape isn't stranger rape and most child sexual abuse is performed by a family member or trusted adult but people want to focus on the 'other' because they're in denial that it could be someone they know.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Drolefille said:
Yep, coupled with the refusal to believe that the nice son/neighbor/teacher etc who has always been so polite/helpful could EVER do something like that.

Most rape isn't stranger rape and most child sexual abuse is performed by a family member or trusted adult but people want to focus on the 'other' because they're in denial that it could be someone they know.
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One only needs to look at the sad state of affairs at Penn State and the sex abuse scandals involving priests in the Catholic Church to understand that this is a larger and more insidious issue than simply, "They're evil."

Makes you consider how a particular hierarchy ultimately exists only to protect itself.....think about it.....it's like the fox guarding the henhouse. The very idea of it is absurd. If the fox attacks the hen at night because she dared to go out of the henhouse, (1) the hen is blamed for putting herself in that situation in the first place, and (2) the fox is either presumed innocent because he is granted the position of guardian OR he is acquitted because you just can't blame him for acting on his instincts.

I say to hell with that construct. I'll teach the hens how to use a gun and to shoot at predators.
 
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