Boys will be boys, so get used to it. . . Rape that is.

[Alceste]

I think the boys will be boys phrase plays off of an actual attitude in society. It's not the title that has a problem, it's the rape culture that bro-fives a guy for hitting that drunk chick last night. Very few people will say boys will be boys about (what they perceive as) actual rape, but it is far more culturally acceptable than your GWBG alternative.

Just to clear this up, "boys will be boys" was what the principal of the school said to the rape victim at the school. The whole point of using it in the OP is that it illustrates a terrible attitude.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is quite often the case though. Far too often the victim is blamed, usually over claims of acting or dressing provocatively. If the notion of "boys will be boys" didn't exist in the realm of sexual assaults, then no one would blame the victim, as people would realize it is indeed the assailant that lacks impulse control. But instead society says it's ok to think the victim should not have been dressed in a certain way, should not have been acting a certain way, should not have been drunk, or whatever excuse people will use.

It's hard to determine the proportion of injustice towards accuser & accused.
Whatever the ratio, both should be treated with justice as the goal.
Certainly, we shouldn't presume that all those accused of a crime are guilty.

A separate issue is the confusion of "blame" with "taking responsibility to avoid assault".
If a victim is drunk, I wouldn't blame him/her for being assaulted, but I'd recommend avoiding situations where risk is high.
Even in this forum, people have objected to giving advice that women take care in dangerous circumstances because they shouldn't have to.

Just to clear this up, "boys will be boys" was what the principal of the school said to the rape victim at the school. The whole point of using it in the OP is that it illustrates a terrible attitude.

You had that in quotes, but I also saw different text in the source. Could it be that your quote is a news source's ramping up the language for spin?
I'm skeptical of a paraphrasing of the translation of a 3rd hand account of an extremely outrageous utterance attributed to the principal without corroborating accounts.
After all, Sweden is one of those uber-progressive countries which we're supposed to look up to as a model of enlightened governance.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A separate issue is the confusion of "blame" with "taking responsibility to avoid assault".
If a victim is drunk, I wouldn't blame him/her for being assaulted, but I'd recommend avoiding situations where risk is high.
Even in this forum, people have objected to giving advice that women take care in dangerous circumstances.

The point isn't that women shouldn't take care. Even men are foolish to not take care and watch their surroundings. The point is that a rape victim, be the victim female or male, should NEVER be blamed for it. But it happens to a very frightening degree. It isn't even uncommon for a victim's family to place blame on the victim. It's one thing that the legal system works against victims, it's an entirely separate world of devastation to be blamed for being assaulted.

 

[Revoltingest]

The point isn't that women shouldn't take care. Even men are foolish to not take care and watch their surroundings.
The point is that a rape victim, be the victim female or male, should NEVER be blamed for it.

I agree completely.

 

[Alceste]

It's hard to determine the proportion of injustice towards accuser & accused.
Whatever the ratio, both should be treated with justice as the goal.
Certainly, we shouldn't presume that all those accused of a crime are guilty.

A separate issue is the confusion of "blame" with "taking responsibility to avoid assault".
If a victim is drunk, I wouldn't blame him/her for being assaulted, but I'd recommend avoiding situations where risk is high.
Even in this forum, people have objected to giving advice that women take care in dangerous circumstances because they shouldn't have to.


You had that in quotes, but I also saw different text in the source. Could it be that your quote is a news source's ramping up the language for spin?
I'm skeptical of a paraphrasing of the translation of a 3rd hand account of an extremely outrageous utterance attributed to the principal without corroborating accounts.
After all, Sweden is one of those uber-progressive countries which we're supposed to look up to as a model of enlightened governance.

OK, she didn't say "boys will be boys", she allegedly said, in front of a witness, "this is something guys do. You have to get used to it." And "No serious crime has been committed". That's much better, right?

 

[Revoltingest]

OK, she didn't say "boys will be boys", she allegedly said, in front of a witness, "this is something guys do. You have to get used to it." And "No serious crime has been committed". That's much better, right?

Yes. But even the correct quotation is likely a translation of what is only claimed the principal said.
The point is that one shouldn't place great significance upon wording which is questionable.

So if this is story is accurate, what is up with Sweden?
Are they not a Scandinavian paradise anymore....especially after the Assange fiasco?

 

[Alceste]

Yes. But even the correct quotation is likely a translation of what is only claimed the principal said.
The point is that one shouldn't place great significance upon wording which is questionable.

So if this is story is accurate, what is up with Sweden?
Are they not a Scandinavian paradise anymore....especially after the Assange fiasco?

I guess every country has its benighted small towns full of ignorant yokels.

 

[CaptainXeroid]

There is more to this than meets the eye.
It seems half the community is involved in the row.

Terrible story, but it is good the facts came out. Unlike the first article that was rather devoid of details.

I'm still kinda' scratching my head that "Let's not pass judgement until we get the whole story." was misinterpreted by several people as not believing the sketchy allegations.

 

[Dipintus]

Everytime I've had direct knowledge of something reported on a paper I've found it to have been distorted beyond the breaking point. This story, sadly, is far from incredible and if true the principal deserves everything the law can throw at him - however, passing judgement without hearing every side of the story is a recipe for injustice.
Always remember: papers are made to sell, not to inform.

 

[dust1n]

There is more to this than meets the eye.
It seems half the community is involved in the row.

Ok, that paints 'guilty' a lot more. Thanks for the lowdown.

 

[Dipintus]

I nearly had a stroke reading the second article when I saw the name of the girl is Linnea - I know it must be a name as common as mary up there, but for a second I thought it had to be a swedish girl I knew with that same name. I can't imagine what her and her family are going through.

Seriously, what the hell Sweden?