Breast implants: For or against

[Skwim]

I hate it when they judge me by the extent of my caring, sensitivity & understanding.
So shallow...so shallow...

And it's people like you, the caring, sensitive, and understanding types, that make it hard for the rest of us. Eat BacOs.

 

[ninerbuff]

I disagree. I think you're comparing breast implants with sexual objectification of women in the same way that porn is demonized as the cause of sexual objectification. Implants, porn, stiletto heels, short skirts, underwire bras, girdles, etc.....those aren't the problems. It's us. And by "us" I mean people.

Look, you're trying. I applaud that. But honey, you're barking up the wrong tree. What we should be pointing the finger at is not sexual objectification of women per se, but objectifying women in any light. It goes way beyond breast implants, such as:

A woman should have....
An agreeable personality
Good coiffed hair and polished skin
A warm smile
An endlessly nurturing spirit
Feet that will endure long days in shoes that will murder your posture (hence the pedicure bill)
A clean house
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.

In other words, a woman should be a man's "helpmeet" as well as having the education and the ability to provide for her children....there's a bunch of things we as a society burden women with, and large breasts is the least we saddle us with culturally.

My mission has been pretty simple with women. It isn't to have a crusade against pornography (which I actually like), or breast implants (which I don't care for), or the "superwoman" syndrome (which really does more harm than any breast fascination). No, my dear, my mission has been to encourage women everywhere to do two things:

1) Speak your mind
2) Flaunt your stuff

In other words, a woman is only to be who she is and to define herself by her own standards. That's it. Once we start defining womanhood, that's when you fellas start mystifying us and making us into this strange animal that you think can't be figured out. We're not mythical. Our brains work a little different than men's brains do, but mostly we're human like you.

And that DOES include sexual attraction based on physical attributes. However, as much as I know my husband likes looking at certain hot young ladies in tight pants (he's a butt guy ).....the minute they open their mouths, he completely loses interest if they're shallow, annoying, or unintelligent.

For your information, trdash, most men are like that, too.

Bang!!!! While physical attraction gets attention, it takes more than that to keep many men's interest. Geeks, nerds, jocks, ********, etc. will usually get distracted by big breasts, but it's usually a passing moment in most cases. It's not like we're totally obsessed like the OP suggests.

 

[ninerbuff]

In the end, wouldn't all of us benefit, and wouldn't society be a better place, if people could see the inner attributes of people with greater depth and clarity than the outser -- usually sexual -- attributes? All flaunting does is create envy, and there is nothing good that comes from envy. In this context, envy causes plastic surgeons to exploit female vulrabilties so that they can mae profit off of sexually objecfying women. Wouldn't all people, but espically women, be treated better if we coould simpyl see beyond sexual objects, and try to all become healthy people?

You can have someone that is caring, nice, unselfish, etc. But if you're not attracted to them and they don't "do it for you sexually", all those qualities won't overcome what you prefer.
It happens everyday. Females and males have attractions to people who aren't attracted to them. It's life. And it always doesn't have to do with beauty or physical fitness. People are attracted to different things, personalities, or just plain looks.

 

[trdash]

I
1) Speak your mind
2) Flaunt your stuff
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Mystic:

I like the idea of speakng one's mind. But do you really think flauntng your stuff benenfits anyon?. All it does it create envy, and nothing every good comes from envy. Are you suggesting that if a woman has larger breasts its OK to flaunt them? In my wilder days, I have seen the destruction that comes from flaunting one's stuff -- nothing good. Sexual flaunting (and all other flaunting) -- is about making others feel "less than" and leads to explicit sexual objectification.

Isn't speaking one's mind (in resptfctul ways )and having empathy and respect for other -- sometime holding back and not flauting to make others feel better -- a better value than flaunting?

 

[Revoltingest]

Mystic:
I like the idea of speakng one's mind. But do you really think flauntng your stuff benefits anyone?

It would benefit me,
were I lucky enuf to see.
No envy or coveting...just joy.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Mystic:

I like the idea of speakng one's mind. But do you really think flauntng your stuff benenfits anyon?. All it does it create envy, and nothing every good comes from envy. Are you suggesting that if a woman has larger breasts its OK to flaunt them? In my wilder days, I have seen the destruction that comes from flaunting one's stuff -- nothing good. Sexual flaunting (and all other flaunting) -- is about making others feel "less than" and leads to explicit sexual objectification.

Isn't speaking one's mind (in resptfctul ways )and having empathy and respect for other -- sometime holding back and not flauting to make others feel better -- a better value than flaunting?

Having been there, and done that, flaunting is much healthier than repression of physical beauty, and not quite like "exposure", which is a whole different animal.

I have learned that I do not serve anybody by shrinking in order to make them feel better. The more I shine, the more those around me shine. That's the point.

 

[ninerbuff]

Having been there, and done that, flaunting is much healthier than repression of physical beauty, and not quite like "exposure", which is a whole different animal.

I have learned that I do not serve anybody by shrinking in order to make them feel better. The more I shine, the more those around me shine. That's the point.

And just having big boobs isn't the whole package. Many females who flaunt are usually physically fit and I'll be the first to tell anyone that it takes time and discipline to get and stay that way. I think it's great to build confidence in yourself if you feel physically right about yourself. Hardly anyone is totally satisfied with every part of themselves. Even "perfect" people will nit pick at some small flaws, but that's human nature.
Nothing wrong with having a female with intellect, passion, compassion and big boobs.

 

[trdash]

Having been there, and done that, flaunting is much healthier than repression of physical beauty, and not quite like "exposure", which is a whole different animal.

I have learned that I do not serve anybody by shrinking in order to make them feel better. The more I shine, the more those around me shine. That's the point.

Mystic:


Flaunting usually means to parade, to display ostentatiously or impudently, or to flutter showingly. It is to display oneself in a way that is higher than others. Do you really believe that you can shine this way?


I really see this as a demented concept of self esteem - -where people are trying to be “one-up” on others, to gain the public gaze, ending in envy (and if there is sexual aspects, it ends up with self sexual objectification). This is the type of “self-esteem” that usually augments depression, loneliness, grudges and begins to plant the seeds of hatred. One of my favorite books is Dr. Mark Kingwell’s book on Happiness – from Plato to Prozac and he does an excellent job of outlining how envy has no good properties and its connection to flaunting.


Hey, I am all for people using their signature strengths in life to help us and sine in the process. But do you really think by flaunting you make others better – especially in this context were we are talking about sexual flaunting? Explain the details of how this makes oneself, or others, better.

 

[Gunfingers]

You heard it here, MysticSang'ha. trdash knows what makes you happy better than you do.

 

[ninerbuff]

Flaunting usually means to parade, to display ostentatiously or impudently, or to flutter showingly. It is to display oneself in a way that is higher than others. Do you really believe that you can shine this way?


I really see this as a demented concept of self esteem - -where people are trying to be “one-up” on others, to gain the public gaze, ending in envy (and if there is sexual aspects, it ends up with self sexual objectification). This is the type of “self-esteem” that usually augments depression, loneliness, grudges and begins to plant the seeds of hatred. One of my favorite books is Dr. Mark Kingwell’s book on Happiness – from Plato to Prozac and he does an excellent job of outlining how envy has no good properties and its connection to flaunting.


Hey, I am all for people using their signature strengths in life to help us and sine in the process. But do you really think by flaunting you make others better – especially in this context were we are talking about sexual flaunting? Explain the details of how this makes oneself, or others, better.

Lol, sounds like you're trying to flaunt here with your "imperial" opinion trying "one up" everyone else since you seem to be the only one who claims to have total respect for "lesser than" females. Epic delusion.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Mystic:


Flaunting usually means to parade, to display ostentatiously or impudently, or to flutter showingly. It is to display oneself in a way that is higher than others. Do you really believe that you can shine this way?

I display ostentatiously because I believe in myself. I believe in my beauty, inner and outer, and it's part of the make-up of who I am and what I impart to others. I do not flaunt in order to be "better than" anybody else. I'm just wondering where in the H did you get that from my post.....I said I shine so that others may shine as well.

It's called confidence, baby. Either you got it, or you don't. And I won't shrink myself or tear myself down or hide or repress any part of me if I'm standing next to somebody who tears themselves down every day. I'll listen. I'll hug. I'll advise. I'll tell the truth of how I see them as wonderful and beautiful. But in no way will I ever hide my own beauty so that others will be feel better about themselves.

I really see this as a demented concept of self esteem - -where people are trying to be “one-up” on others, to gain the public gaze, ending in envy (and if there is sexual aspects, it ends up with self sexual objectification). This is the type of “self-esteem” that usually augments depression, loneliness, grudges and begins to plant the seeds of hatred. One of my favorite books is Dr. Mark Kingwell’s book on Happiness – from Plato to Prozac and he does an excellent job of outlining how envy has no good properties and its connection to flaunting.

Hey, I am all for people using their signature strengths in life to help us and sine in the process. But do you really think by flaunting you make others better – especially in this context were we are talking about sexual flaunting? Explain the details of how this makes oneself, or others, better.

Here, I'll show you.....watch me as I flip my long gorgeous hair off my neck.

You heard it here, MysticSang'ha. trdash knows what makes you happy better than you do.

Ha! If I had a dime for every time I got advice like this that wasn't steeped in it's own puritanical agenda (where women are supposed to be hushed either in appearance or in verbiage)......well, I'd probably have about $60. That's not a million, sweets, but that's a heck of a lot of advice!

Basically, been there, done that.

Lol, sounds like you're trying to flaunt here with your "imperial" opinion trying "one up" everyone else since you seem to be the only one who claims to have total respect for "lesser than" females. Epic delusion.

Ah, yes. Projection bias. Explains a lot, don't it?

 

[trdash]

You heard it here, MysticSang'ha. trdash knows what makes you happy better than you do.

Guns Finger:

It is not just me, it is what research suggests. Just like research outlines that second hand smoke harms people, research also outlines that envy and flaunting hurts others too – especially sexual size flaunting because as people we really have no control over how large breasts (or penises) grow. We control about 50% of our body fat/shape – and even in this area there are people who can be dedicated to fitness and still be overweight (but they would be more overweight if they did not eat well and work out well). But other than surgery, we can’t control breast size and those people who are smaller can’t do anything about it, other than go for surgery.

I have no qualm with a woman who is larger up top who enjoys her largeness in the privacy of her man (likewise on the male side). I find the social consequences of women who are larger up top who brag and flaunt it, or men who brag, flaunt and advocated that that bigger breast are better – are no better than people who beat others up. Such people are on the low spectrum of human development (see post 324) and hurt others.

In regard to happiness, I think the best book written about it is Authentic Happiness by the renowned psychologist Martin Seligman. Envy and flaunting hurt others and in the long run, do hurt one and have no connection to research on good health and happiness. Dedicating oneself to something good in social life, coupled with using one’s personal strengths toward it, is what makes people happier. Helping others really makes one feel good about oneself. Flaunting one’s sexual attributes, really does add more depression and hatred to social life. And it is part of the reason women line up to have jello put in their breasts and be carved up so they can “feel good” about themselves. I shared this before in a previous post, but there are a number of health studies that outline that women who have breast implants are more depressed and have more struggles with mental issues, and part of the explanation is that they are going about increasing their self-esteem in ways that actually lower it (plastic surgery).

 

[Revoltingest]

It is not just me, it is what research suggests.

Do you have links to this research?

I find the social consequences of women who are larger up top who brag and flaunt it, or men who brag, flaunt and advocated that that bigger breast are better – are no better than people who beat others up.

Am I correct in inferring that you find violent physical assault equivalent to flaunting big tits?

 

[trdash]

It's called confidence, baby. Either you got it, or you don't. And I won't shrink myself or tear myself down or hide or repress any part of me if I'm standing next to somebody who tears themselves down every day. I'll listen. I'll hug. I'll advise. I'll tell the truth of how I see them as wonderful and beautiful. But in no way will I ever hide my own beauty so that others will be feel better about themselves.

Mystic:

This, for the most part, makes sense to me. I have no problems with people who have confidence. And I'm gald you will listen and hug.

But I have also seem flauting. Here is one example, Years ago I was at a drinking party where a women with very larger breast was able to hold a shooter glass between her breasts who was calling out women who had smaller breasts to see if they can hold a shooter glass between their breasts. I know another woman who reported to me how men in her university class changed when a fellow female students got breast implants and how these men began to tell her that she should get such a surgery. These are hurtful.

I am takng the literal meaning of the word flaunting. Perhaps you did not mean the literal word?

 

[trdash]

Am I correct in inferring that you find violent physical assault equivalent to flaunting big tits?

I find the underlying ideology to be similar. When flauting, its trying to lessen others to communicate that one is higher up or better than another person. The difference is one is physical and one is emotional. Both can rest on public humulation and a demosntration of one being superior.

But I am talkng about real flauting here, not some fun and normal flirting or teasing around.

 

[Revoltingest]

I find the underlying ideology to be similar. When flauting, its trying to lessen others to communicate that one is higher up or better than another person. The difference is one is physical and one is emotional. Both can rest on public humulation and a demosntration of one being superior.

But I am talkng about real flauting here, not some fun and normal flirting or teasing around.

I don't see how the word "ideology" applies here.
I also don't see an answer to my question.
Flaunting has never seemed about humiliating anyone. Certainly Mystic doesn't come across that way.
And while some lesser males might feel inadequate upon seeing my massive chest, I humiliate no one.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I don't see how the word "ideology" applies here.
I also don't see an answer to my question.
Flaunting has never seemed about humiliating anyone. Certainly Mystic doesn't come across that way.
And while some lesser males might feel inadequate upon seeing my massive chest, I humiliate no one.

I could assault somebody physically with my breastesses. Maybe that's the kind of violence he's thinking of?

 

[trdash]

I don't see how the word "ideology" applies here.
I also don't see an answer to my question.
Flaunting has never seemed about humiliating anyone. Certainly Mystic doesn't come across that way.
And while some lesser males might feel inadequate upon seeing my massive chest, I humiliate no one.

Rev:
I was not directing this personallay toward Mystic. I have not been on this website long enough to even develop any sense of what she is like or an on-line relationship. I am writing about the concept of flaunting, in general. By ideaology I mean the invisble and dominant values behind action (I am using this term in a sociological fashion). I am wondering if Mystic did not mean "flaunting" in its literal mean -- where that is how i am intrpeting her usage of the word.

Again, the underlying ideology or unconcious goals of flaunting is public humiliation and showing public domination

Mystic:

Please keep in mind my comments were not to be directed toward as a person. I do not even know you. My comments are strictly direct toward the very real ideas that come from words.

 

[Revoltingest]

It still seems that if she is flaunting her goods, that you are equating this morally with violent physical assault both in effect & intent.
Is this your view?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I could assault somebody physically with my breastesses. Maybe that's the kind of violence he's thinking of?

I don't about him, but that's certainly the kind of violence I'm thinking of now.