Building Bridges to the Unity of Humanity

[TransmutingSoul]

But are the people that get elected to this World Tribunal really going to be all that virtuous? If they are in the least bit greedy or hungry for power or have any bad qualities, how's the decisions made by the World Tribunal going to be fair and just?

I see we need to be positive about the future of humanity, concentrating our positivity on the potential we all have.

It's a new world order that is on its way.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I see we need to be positive about the future of humanity, concentrating our positivity on the potential we all have.

It's a new world order that is on its way.

Regards Tony

Yes, we need to be positive. So, let's just go for it. Let's all disarm. Elect that World Tribunal, and see what happens. Like I said before... What could go wrong?

Except going by what has happened in the past when a religion was in power, I'm "positive" things won't go very good.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, we need to be positive. So, let's just go for it. Let's all disarm. Elect that World Tribunal, and see what happens. Like I said before... What could go wrong?

Except going by what has happened in the past when a religion was in power, I'm "positive" things won't go very good.

If it is a genuine effort, it will work.

Regards Tony

 

[McBell]

If it is a genuine effort, it will work.

Regards Tony

I doubt it.
Especially given the fact you can not answer what it has actually accomplished...

 

[oldbadger]

This OP came about as this topic was raised in other threads. About building bridges between faiths and peoples, it was suggested the Baha'i approach was not conducive to building bridges.

Unity of humanity?
Sadly, such ideals remind me of lions sleeping all cuddled up to sheep.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Unity of humanity?
Sadly, such ideals remind me of lions sleeping all cuddled up to sheep.

Who knows, we may even enjoy a cuppa together, I know I would jump at the chance.

I see we have many a great conversation.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I doubt it.
Especially given the fact you can not answer what it has actually accomplished...

Little by little day by day, neighbourhood by neighbourhood. Example

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

If it is a genuine effort, it will work.

Regards Tony

Again, God's supposed perfect plan has to be implemented by corruptible, fallible people.

How many sound so "genuine" when the speak? Like all those cult leaders that got people to follow them? And no matter which side a person is on here in the U.S., both political leaders sound so "genuine" to their followers.

 

[oldbadger]

Who knows, we may even enjoy a cuppa together, I know I would jump at the chance.

I see we have many a great conversation.

Regards Tony

Yes. We have indeed, Tony.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Again, God's supposed perfect plan has to be implemented by corruptible, fallible people.

How many sound so "genuine" when the speak? Like all those cult leaders that got people to follow them? And no matter which side a person is on here in the U.S., both political leaders sound so "genuine" to their followers.

God's plans unfold over centuries and millenniums. All our choices have been included in that plan.

God already knows the end, as God already knew the beginning. God knows all our choices, all our thoughts, all are written on Tablets of chrysolite

"Think not the deeds ye have committed have been blotted from My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite. Bahá’u’lláh, Hidden Words, Persian 63

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

"Think not the deeds ye have committed have been blotted from My sight. By My beauty! All your doings hath My pen graven with open characters upon tablets of chrysolite. Bahá’u’lláh, Hidden Words, Persian 63

But there's a whole bunch of verses in the Bible and the NT that says that God does not remember them. So, does the God of the Baha'is remember both the good and the bad deeds? Because the God in the Bible and the NT supposedly forgets the bad deeds. Here's just some of the verses.

Hebrews 8:12 ESV / 172 helpful votes​

For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

Isaiah 43:25 ESV / 158 helpful votes​

“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Hebrews 10:17 ESV / 134 helpful votes​

Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

1 John 1:9 ESV / 133 helpful votes​

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 103:12 ESV / 116 helpful votes​

As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.

Jeremiah 31:34 ESV / 115 helpful votes​

And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Isaiah 1:18 ESV / 89 helpful votes​

“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

Acts 3:19 ESV / 72 helpful votes​

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

Micah 7:19 ESV / 65 helpful votes​

He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.

 

[CG Didymus]

Little by little day by day, neighbourhood by neighbourhood. Example

So, how do they handle it when some of the people aren't Baha'i? How are they building bridges with people that believe in a different religion?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But there's a whole bunch of verses in the Bible and the NT that says that God does not remember them. So, does the God of the Baha'is remember both the good and the bad deeds? Because the God in the Bible and the NT supposedly forgets the bad deeds. Here's just some of the verses.

Hebrews 8:12 ESV / 172 helpful votes​

For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

Isaiah 43:25 ESV / 158 helpful votes​

“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Hebrews 10:17 ESV / 134 helpful votes​

Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

1 John 1:9 ESV / 133 helpful votes​

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Psalm 103:12 ESV / 116 helpful votes​

As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.

Jeremiah 31:34 ESV / 115 helpful votes​

And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Isaiah 1:18 ESV / 89 helpful votes​

“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

Acts 3:19 ESV / 72 helpful votes​

Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,

Micah 7:19 ESV / 65 helpful votes​

He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.

That is part of the process of being born again CG and asking for forgiveness, a private act between the beleiver and God.

We answer for all our choices when we pass from this world.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, how do they handle it when some of the people aren't Baha'i? How are they building bridges with people that believe in a different religion?

If you watch the video, many were not Baha'i and joined in, they were attracted because their choice of heart. Attracted to the realisation thay can be more than they currently were.

This happens in many communities. Many people join in, that are not Baha'i.

The Rhui process has its challenges, even for Baha'is. The wiser the facilitator, the better the experience. It is all about building that capacity in every individual.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

If you watch the video, many were not Baha'i and joined in, they were attracted because their choice of heart. Attracted to the realisation thay can be more than they currently were.

This happens in many communities. Many people join in, that are not Baha'i.

The Rhui process has its challenges, even for Baha'is. The wiser the facilitator, the better the experience. It is all about building that capacity in every individual.

Regards Tony

But it's similar to a Christian Church camp. Some kids are not going to be Christian. But they are going to be taught Christian values and Christian morality, and probably some Christian beliefs about getting saved.

Both get the kids away from the negative things going on in the places where they live. But they're all going to go back there. I know a Christian kid that was doing fine while he was with his Christian friends. But he got pulled back into the "good times" of what his non-Christian friends were doing.

So, with these kids, how do they stay connected? How does the program follow up when the kids are back home and are around negative influences?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So, with these kids, how do they stay connected? How does the program follow up when the kids are back home and are around negative influences?

The program is all.aboutvslef empowering each individual. In a lot of cases, it attracts the parents to come, as they see such a change in their children.

Regards Tony

 

[Ponder This]

That is basically because the United Nations was not given the mandate it needed to maintain peace. There are certain mandatory requirements, that if not implemented, no union of Nations will succeed.

Regards Tony

Okay, so we can see and agree that unimaginable horrors is not sufficient to bring about the peace we want. And this should serve as a warning to all who would seek to obtain peace through unimaginable horrors.

You also say the United Nations doesn't have the mandate that it needs to maintain peace. Do you mean that the United Nations doesn't have the authority to compel an end to conflict through force? I think that it's not a bad thing that the United Nations is unable to beat people over the head until they submit.

What do you think would give the UN the authority sufficient to bring about peace? Obviously just waving a magic wand and saying the UN has authority is not sufficient.

 

[CG Didymus]

You also say the United Nations doesn't have the mandate that it needs to maintain peace. Do you mean that the United Nations doesn't have the authority to compel an end to conflict through force?

I think that's what the Baha'is are calling for... A world tribunal that does have the power to enforce its decisions.

Here's a quote from the "World Order of Baha'u'llah".

The unity of the human race, as envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, implies the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded. This commonwealth must, as far as we can visualize it, consist of a world legislature, whose members will, as the trustees of the whole of mankind, ultimately control the entire resources of all the component nations, and will enact such laws as shall be required to regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples. A world executive, backed by an international Force, will carry out the decisions arrived at, and apply the laws enacted by, this world legislature, and will safeguard the organic unity of the whole commonwealth. A world tribunal will adjudicate and deliver its compulsory and final verdict in all and any disputes that may arise between the various elements constituting this universal system...​

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“One of the great events,” affirms ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, “which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that incomparable Branch is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.”​

 

[Ponder This]

I think that's what the Baha'is are calling for... A world tribunal that does have the power to enforce its decisions.

Here's a quote from the "World Order of Baha'u'llah".

The unity of the human race, as envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, implies the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded. This commonwealth must, as far as we can visualize it, consist of a world legislature, whose members will, as the trustees of the whole of mankind, ultimately control the entire resources of all the component nations, and will enact such laws as shall be required to regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples. A world executive, backed by an international Force, will carry out the decisions arrived at, and apply the laws enacted by, this world legislature, and will safeguard the organic unity of the whole commonwealth. A world tribunal will adjudicate and deliver its compulsory and final verdict in all and any disputes that may arise between the various elements constituting this universal system...​

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“One of the great events,” affirms ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, “which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that incomparable Branch is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.”​

The world fails to meet the criteria implied by Abdu’l-Bahá: "one religion" and "one race" and no "differences among nations". Moreover, forging a New World Order on the premises of one religion, one race, and the destruction of national identities is an ideological recipe for mass-scale violence. Really, you can't get there through the use of physical force and the threat of obscene horrors. Heaven is above Earth; the spirit directs the material; and outer harmony is an extension of inner tranquility.

 

[CG Didymus]

I see we need to be positive about the future of humanity, concentrating our positivity on the potential we all have.

It's a new world order that is on its way.

Regards Tony

Yeah, that should work. Just like how half of the U.S. is "positive" Trump will fix things, and the other half is "positive" Trump will wreck everything.

So, are you positive by being "positive" will make the Baha'i Faith work perfectly? We shouldn't look at some of the claims and beliefs and express any concerns? Just cross our fingers and keep on believing.