Building Bridges to the Unity of Humanity

[cataway]

The side of freedom of expression.

that one may go first

 

[idea]

No single person will ever represent everyone. From the frigid Arctic to the sweltering tropics, survival in different areas requires different rules by the unique demands of its climate. In these varying environments, creatures and plants have evolved remarkable adaptations to survive and thrive. Plants, animals, and humans will always be diverse - diverse rules, diverse needs, diverse strategies for survival.

Would you tell a fish they must live like a monkey?

Each is unique, different needs, different circumstances, what works for one does not work for another. Heirarchies, dictators, God, doesn't work. There is no set of rules that applies for everyone.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The unity of humanity will require the unity of Nations and this will require the setting of National boundaries. These boundaries will be enforced by an international federation of Nations, bound in international law, and enforced by them with an international peace keeping army.

The Nations will all disarm simultaneously, apart for the required weapons to maintain internal police forces. There will be no weapons of mass destruction.

This part is extremely difficult. The nations are not good actors. They are malicious sometimes, and good ones now may be malicious later. The most reticent to disarm will likely be the ones with the greatest armament. Some will claim to disarm but will not actually do so. Also how extensive is disarmament? Does it involve vanquishing technical knowledge? You have to decide what is a weapon, and the moment that you do countries will seek other things to use as weapons. For example if you say all weapons are to be banned, then some nations might employ non-weapons as weapons. Tools can be used as weapons. Animals can. Many things can, but the weapons we use are ones intended to settle matters quickly and with less cruelty. I would rather be shot dead instantly than killed by a hoard of deadly spiders or some other weapon alternative.

The nations can disarm, but they can still use anything as a weapon. They can attack one another in many unusual ways. For example one could use table salt as a weapon of mass destruction. I don't have a plan for that, but it is quite dangerous to let citizens have so much of this delicious ingredient containing chlorine. Mix it with the wrong acid and it becomes deadly gas. Its better if we know what the weapons are.

 

[Trailblazer]

that is what's going to happen.

And you know that HOW?

 

[cataway]

And you know that HOW?

I know many things, I do know the Bible well enough to discuss it intelligently.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I never said anything about getting rid of religion. I just said keep it personal.

This will happen, it has basically started, you will note that RF is already reflecting this in more increasing postings.

This attempt will fail, as it will be found put that religion is necessary part of global order and structure.

You want a "world government"?
Fine, just make sure to limit its powers. The one thing that will corrupt people faster than anything is power. The main idea behind the US Constitution is that of limiting the power of the Federal government.

Government imo is a necessary evil. We need it because of the nature of man. However because of the nature of we also must make sure it can never obtain complete control.

It is not about what I want, but yes a world federation is needed, there will be a time when no one wants to govern, how that will work is centuries in the making. We have no real concept as to how it could work, given the state of the current world.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

I know many things, I do know the Bible well enough to discuss it intelligently.

So do I. But I do not waste my time reading the story of Adam and Eve because I know it is only a story, nothing that ever happened in reality.

Imagine this: Christians basing all their dogma on something that never even happened.

 

[Trailblazer]

Speaking of Peace plans, do any other religions have any Peace plans?

The only Christian plan is for Jesus to come barrelling down in the clouds and wave a magic wand and fix everything that is wrong in the world.

I'd love to see the bullet-by-bullet list of exactly how that is going to be achieved.

I want to see something realistic, not the magic wand.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The side of freedom of expression.

This is good as long as that liberty has boundaries, as unbridled liberty is a pernicious influence, the flame of which is nearly impossible to quench.

America is facing the consequences of such an unbridled liberty and will suffer more from it in the coming days and months.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

This part is extremely difficult. The nations are not good actors. They are malicious sometimes, and good ones now may be malicious later. The most reticent to disarm will likely be the ones with the greatest armament. Some will claim to disarm but will not actually do so. Also how extensive is disarmament? Does it involve vanquishing technical knowledge? You have to decide what is a weapon, and the moment that you do countries will seek other things to use as weapons. For example if you say all weapons are to be banned, then some nations might employ non-weapons as weapons. Tools can be used as weapons. Animals can. Many things can, but the weapons we use are ones intended to settle matters quickly and with less cruelty. I would rather be shot dead instantly than killed by a hoard of deadly spiders or some other weapon alternative.

The nations can disarm, but they can still use anything as a weapon. They can attack one another in many unusual ways. For example one could use table salt as a weapon of mass destruction. I don't have a plan for that, but it is quite dangerous to let citizens have so much of this delicious ingredient containing chlorine. Mix it with the wrong acid and it becomes deadly gas. Its better if we know what the weapons are.

These are all items for the meat of the plan, all good questions that will need to he asked and resolved by the international federation.

I see the motivation will be born out of the destruction that is now on our doorstep, the current conflicts are out of control and the consequences of these conflicts are becoming a stark reality.

The only way to rid the world of aggressors is stop the hand before it swings the punch (hopefully in a peacedul way), or meet the hand with a solid brick wall. It is too late for all the Nations to stop what has started, they will have to now learn from what is now happening.

In the Baha'i Writings it is recorded that America would take the role of the default peacekeepers, even if the motivation to do so were not agreeable. They will suffer because of this, but at the same time they have a great future because they were fighting for the liberty of humanity, again even if the motivation to do so was based on national interests.

There has been so much offered that the picture of what is now happening, is quite clear to those that have pursued those Writings.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Speaking of Peace plans, do any other religions have any Peace plans?

The only Christian plan is for Jesus to come barrelling down in the clouds and wave a magic wand and fix everything that is wrong in the world.

I'd love to see the bullet-by-bullet list of exactly how that is going to be achieved.

I want to see something realistic, not the magic wand.

The Pope's have put out some documents, that reflect a lot of what the Baha'i Writing have proposed.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

that is what's going to happen. which side will you be on ?

Yes, an attempt will be made to do away with religion and this is in the Bible and the Baha'i Writings, I think also in the Quran in one way or another.

The side to be on is the Oneness of Humanity, as if religion does become a reason for war, we would be better off without it.

Luckily, there are religions that will only practice Peace, so this will be eventually be noted, as mankind requires a relationship with their creator, it is a gift given to us.

Regards Tony

 

[cataway]

Yes, an attempt will be made to do away with religion and this is in the Bible and the Baha'i Writings, I think also in the Quran in one way or another.

The side to be on is the Oneness of Humanity, as if religion does become a reason for war, we would be better off without it.

Luckily, there are religions that will only practice Peace, so this will be eventually be noted, as mankind requires a relationship with their creator, it is a gift given to us.

Regards Tony

religion has always been ready to get involved it war

 

[Brickjectivity]

These are all items for the meat of the plan, all food questions that will need to he asked and resolved by the international federation.

I see the motivation will be born out of the destruction that is now on our doorstep, the current conflict are out of control and the consequences of these conflicts are becoming a stark reality.

The only way to rid the world of aggressors is stop the hand before it swings the punch (hopefully in a peacedul way), or meet the hand with a solid brick wall. It is too late for all the Nations to stop what has started, they will have to now learn from what is now happening.

In the Baha'i Writings it is recorded that America would take the role of the default peacekeepers, even if the motivation to do so were not agreeable. They will suffer because of this, but at the same rime they have a great future because they were fighting for the liberty of humanity, again even if the motivation to do so was based on national interests.

There has been so much offered that the picture of what is now happening, is quite clear to those that have pursued those Writings.

Regards Tony

I can imagine a way for it to happen. First cure the people, and then you can cure the war. Cure the child left to itself, the child yelled at or punished for no reason, the child used as an object, the child which never felt loved, the child that never got to play etc. Then nobody will have a reason to have police, and that will remove the impetus for a military.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think perhaps the problem is that the world has too many people. The planet earth just is not equipped to support so many human beings. People like Musk predict a sudden population collapse in global north nations as the increasingly elderly retired and non-productive population (as much as 20% in Japan) pass-on and there are not enough young people to power the economy. At the same time the often uneducated and unskilled population of global south nations especially in Africa continues to increase.

For the first time in modern history, the world’s population is expected to virtually stop growing by the end of this century, due in large part to falling global fertility rates, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of new data from the United Nations. By 2100, the world’s population is projected to reach approximately 10.9 billion, with annual growth of less than 0.1% – a steep decline from the current rate. Between 1950 and today, the world’s population grew between 1% and 2% each year, with the number of people rising from 2.5 billion to more than 7.7 billion
Pew Research Statistics

You have reflected comments found in the Baha'i Wrirings, that the earth is overpopulated. A lot of this happened because of liberty and the lack of moral values. There is quite a bit offered on that topic, it also has to be addressed.

I can offer we will face an event that will greatly diminish earth's population, it will coincide with our attempt to build the Lesser Peace, it is also reflected in the Bible, that God would cut short these days.

Abdu'l-Baha offered

"Man’s glory and greatness… do not consist in his being avid for blood and sharp of claw, in tearing down cities and spreading havoc, in butchering armed forces and civilians. What would mean a bright future for him would be his reputation for justice, his kindness to the entire population whether high or low, his building up countries and cities, villages and districts, his making life easy, peaceful and happy for his fellow beings, his laying down fundamental principles for progress, his raising the standards and increasing the wealth of the entire population..."

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

religion has always been ready to get involved it war

I do not agree, the vast majority do not want war, some in power do unfortunately and they currently dominate.

One does not have to be religious to be a tyrant.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

You want a "world government"?
Fine, just make sure to limit its powers. The one thing that will corrupt people faster than anything is power.

In the Baha'i plan they are given complete power.

The predominant aspects of this problem had already emerged in the nineteenth century when Bahá’u’lláh first advanced his proposals for the establishment of world peace. The principle of collective security was propounded by him in statements addressed to the rulers of the world. Shoghi Effendi commented on his meaning: “What else could these weighty words signify,” he wrote, “if they did not point to the inevitable curtailment of unfettered national sovereignty as an indispensable preliminary to the formation of the future Commonwealth of all the nations of the world?​

Here's where it says that the nations "cede" every claim to make war? And to disarm? The International Executive will be able to "enforce" supreme and unchallengeable authority? What are the checks and balances?

Some form of a world super-state must needs be evolved, in whose favour all the nations of the world will have willingly ceded every claim to make war, certain rights to impose taxation and all rights to maintain armaments, except for purposes of maintaining internal order within their respective dominions. Such a state will have to include within its orbit an International Executive adequate to enforce supreme and unchallengeable authority on every recalcitrant member of the commonwealth; a World Parliament whose members shall be elected by the people in their respective countries and whose election shall be confirmed by their respective governments; and a Supreme Tribunal whose judgement will have a binding effect even in such cases where the parties concerned did not voluntarily agree to submit their case to its consideration.​

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So the big guy has means to enforce his decisions. The nations have "willingly" disarmed? I guess whatever the big guy says... goes. Oh wait, there's a World Parliament and a Supreme Tribunal. Are they the checks and balances? Or are they the ones making the "binding" decisions that the International Executive enforces?

But this is the plan that God has recommended through his infallible prophet, Baha'u'llah. So, I guess God knows best. I guess? I hope? Did anyone check with God about this stuff to make sure it came from him?

 

[cataway]

I do not agree, the vast majority do not want war, some in power do unfortunately and they currently dominate.

One does not have to be religious to be a tyrant.

Regards Tony

did i say it wants war ? its always backing war . blessing the troops and implements of war . its well known

 

[cataway]

you may not know it ,the UN wants complete control. odds are it will get it

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I can imagine a way for it to happen. First cure the people, and then you can cure the war. Cure the child left to itself, the child yelled at or punished for no reason, the child used as an object, the child which never felt loved, the child that never got to play etc. Then nobody will have a reason to have police, and that will remove the impetus for a military.

Education is well up towards the top of the list. It is indeed the best way for the long term solution. What they will be taught, would also need agreement, the curriculum could be adapted to suit various cultures

A world language will also need to be taught alongside the mother tongue. Then there can be no misunderstandings because of language.

English has been a default to date, but a world language will most likely be needed and made by joint consultation by those that arr experts in Languages.

Regards Tony