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Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
I am not saving anyone's life by getting the vaccine since I do not come into contact with anyone except my husband and he does not come into contact with anyone except me.

I only go grocery shopping twice a week right before the store closes so there is maybe three customers and I always wear a mask.
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If you want to be a hermit for the rest of your life, never go to a doctor, never go to get a haircut, never go to a movie etc, then it's one thing. But I doubt that you are really doing that for the rest of your life without exception.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Unveiled Artist said:
It's fear, believe me. People were afraid to go to the ER (in the news) because of all this. People are literally jumping out of their chairs to make sure someone who goes pass them for a second won't breathe on them. Judging other people and really being upset that others aren't as concerned as they are (as if we dont' care somehow) is really fear-driven. The problem is, people either don't know they are afraid and/or don't accept it. Which is fine as long as no one is making a political statement over it.
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Of course it is fear, fear of catching the virus and possibly dying. Nobody is telling them not to be afraid, we are just pointing it out, so why are they expecting us to be afraid?
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
. I am just an individual who has chosen not to take the vaccine for now because I have no reason to do so since I am socially isolated.
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One night my wife got up to go to the bathroom, tripped, fell and wound up with a broken hip and an ambulance ride to the ER.

Social isolation can end suddenly and unexpectedly.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Even though most of them have very little chance of actually dying from this. :rolleyes:
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Aye, the chances of dying are slim.
But one source shows a 10% chance of lingering
problems for those who survive. Is 1 in 10 chance
of a greatly reduced quality of life significant?
Number of COVID-19 'long haulers,' survivors experiencing lasting virus symptoms, is growing

The probability of death would concern us codgers
far more than it might you. In a few years, I'll move
from 1/2% death rate to 5%.
What Is Your Risk Of Dying From Covid-19?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
And I can suddenly get in a car accident.
I am not one to live in fear of what might happen, I already have too many things that are happening.
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One need not be fearful to justify taking precautions.
I wear a seatbelt. I'm wary of traffic danger, but don't fear it.
I carry fire extinguishers. Again, merely wary.
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
sun rise said:
Not 100%.
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And it would suddenly be 100% if everyone got the vaccine?

Nothing is 100% except that we will all die someday. The question is why so many people are afraid of dying.
It is their right to be afraid of dying but it is not their right to tell other people what they should do because of their fears and then assail their character, calling them selfish and irrational.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Unveiled Artist said:
I was referring to your statement I quoted of yours.

I never mentioned herd immunity.

Sounds like fear. Depends on where one lives (heavy population or five people in a town), circumstance (work at a hospital or sitting at home near 24 hours a day), age and general wellbeing.

Of course every person is at risk of catching any virus. You ONLY put people at risk if you actually DO have the virus.

It's a perceived risk based on fear. You have to prove I have symptoms in order for you to have a point. So far, just no taking the vaccine doesn't put anyone at risk anymore than what that person perceives as a risk.

You're only at risk if I have symptoms. What you "think" I have or could have is relevant for your safety.... we do tend to avoid things we feel are threatened by. The fact, though, is if you don't have symptoms, you can't spread it. Safe than sorry is fine but not all people are in circumstances that would put people at a perceived risk unless they think they are walking around asymptomatic. Wake up one day and say "oh my gosh, I may have the illness!" On one hand, I get it. On the other, it puzzles me.
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The truth about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today
Excerpted...
“Asymptomatic spread definitely plays a role in community spread,” said Dr. David Beckham, an infectious disease specialist who studies viruses in a lab he runs at the University of Colorado School of Medicine.

Wearing masks helps prevent asymptomatic spread of COVID-19
That means it’s all the more critical for people to follow public health measures that clearly work, chief among them wearing masks, staying far apart from people and washing hands frequently.

“The closer we can get to 100% mask wearing, the quicker we can end this outbreak and get out of the current spike of the disease,” Beckham said.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trailblazer said:
I agree, but many people are fearful, so fearful they cannot even see straight or be rational, and then they call me irrational because I am not afraid.
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Worse are those I know who are fearless.
A friend believes that he has natural immunity,
& so takes no precautions.
But he is fearful of the vaccine...worried that
it'll change his DNA. (It won't.)
 
Trailblazer

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
sun rise said:
If you want to be a hermit for the rest of your life, never go to a doctor, never go to get a haircut, never go to a movie etc, then it's one thing. But I doubt that you are really doing that for the rest of your life without exception.
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And I doubt that this pandemic will remain an issue for the rest of my life.
If and when it comes time that I realize I need the vaccine to engage in certain activities outside the home, I will take it.
I live one day at a time.
 
McBell

McBell

Admiral Obvious
Trailblazer said:
You have not given any reasonable reasons that you should be FORCED to take the vaccine against my will.
An unreasonable fear is never reasonable.
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Who is "FORCING" you to get vaccinated?
I have heard all manner that your SHOULD get it.
But who here has said you have to?
Post numbers if you will.
 
McBell

McBell

Admiral Obvious
Revoltingest said:
Worse are those I know who are fearless.
A friend believes that he has natural immunity,
& so takes no precautions.
But he is fearful of the vaccine...worried that
it'll change his DNA. (It won't.)
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Several of the Amish in my area believed that because they are around horses they were immune to COVID.
So they took no precautions.
Until they started not only catching it, but dying from it.

Turns out COVID does not give a crickets fart what you think about it.
 
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