Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm confused.
We're just discussing things.
Ignorant?
No, you're not.

I might be having too many simultaneous discussions while
I watch Star Trek, converse with Mrs Revolt, & answer me phone.
This makes me even more obtuse than usual.

Haha. I'm getting everyone mixed up. I know @ShadowWolf implied that I'm ignorant and someone else. Making opposing decisions from the same body of information doesn't make either side ignorant (just sayin').

Which Star Trek? I'm a Kirk and Spock fan.

 

[Revoltingest]

Haha. I'm getting everyone mixed up. I know @ShadowWolf implied that I'm ignorant and someone else. Making opposing decisions from the same body of information doesn't make either side ignorant (just sayin').

Which Star Trek? I'm a Kirk and Spock fan.

STTNG....just ended....fish-like humanoid shaped aliens from
another dimension were doing experiments on the crew.
Riker's arm was surgically removed & re-attached.
I remember that....but I can't convey meanings I intend.

 

[McBell]

We do not need to justify it to you and we do not need excuses for not getting it. It's our life and our body.

Yet here you are in this thread, trying to justify your not getting the vaccine.
So if your attempts at justifying isn't to me or anyone else, why all the posts trying to justify your not getting the vaccine?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That could be.
But you aren't at all like the loopy anti-vaxers & others I know.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not around people that much and when I am, I social distance and wear a mask when need be. It truly shocked me when I saw people raiding the US Capitol to the point where people died. I'm not political just strongly opinionated.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not around people that much and when I am, I social distance and wear a mask when need be. It truly shocked me when I saw people raiding the US Capitol to the point where people died. I'm not political just strongly opinionated.

You seem a pussycat by RF standards.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yet here you are in this thread, trying to justify your not getting the vaccine.
So if your attempts at justifying isn't to me or anyone else, why all the posts trying to justify your not getting the vaccine?

What's weird is, the rest of us aren't telling you guys here not to take the vaccine. You guys have freedom of choice to know what's best for you as the rest of us. We all have access to the same information and come away with different conclusions that are not detrimental to other people.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You seem a pussycat by RF standards.

I'll take that as a compliment?

 

[McBell]

What's weird is, the rest of us aren't telling you guys here not to take the vaccine. You guys have freedom of choice to know what's best for you as the rest of us. We all have access to the same information and come away with different conclusions that are not detrimental to people others.

I have not said that you should get the vaccine.
I know there are those who should not get it for various reasons, mostly medical.
And I personally have no problem with it.
I do find it curious how so many of those who do not get vaccinated feel the need to "justify" their not getting vaccinated and an in many cases do so while fooling themselves they are not trying to justify their not getting the vaccine.

Just like you saying you disagree with businesses requiring the vaccine, I completely disagree with the government making it against the law for businesses to require the vaccine.
Requiring a vaccine is no different than requiring shirts and shoes and masks.
Or prohibiting firearms.

And businesses do not have to justify these conditions on entering their property.

So, like I said, I find it interesting how someone who claims they are never around other people, never in businesses, etc. so they do not need to get the vaccine are still trying so hard to justify their not getting the vaccine.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'll take that as a compliment?

It's neither good nor bad.
However, you are civil....that's good...really good.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have not said that you should get the vaccine.
I know there are those who should not get it for various reasons, mostly medical.
And I personally have no problem with it.
I do find it curious how so many of those who do not get vaccinated feel the need to "justify" their not getting vaccinated and an in many cases do so while fooling themselves they are not trying to justify their not getting the vaccine.

I think, speaking of people in general, that many justify their position when they feel they are challenged. It's a natural instinct and I can only count a couple people on my hand on RF who doesn't fall into it.

Just like you saying you disagree with businesses requiring the vaccine, I completely disagree with the government making it against the law for businesses to require the vaccine.

Requiring a vaccine is no different than requiring shirts and shoes and masks.
Or prohibiting firearms.

I see that example of shirts and shoes when it comes to justifying why people should wear masks all the time. Since the vaccine is a medical treatment, it's a bit more difficult to justify. Businesses can do whatever they want, but I do feel it will backfire. There are so many factors involved that just showing a negative-COVID "pass" just won't do it. Business owners aren't doctors and legally, at least in VA/US they're not allowed to ask customers about their illness... I assume that's a huge legal issue if a private business did something like that unless private businesses feel they should be exempt and do whatever they want (like individual protestors).

And businesses do not have to justify these conditions on entering their property.

So, like I said, I find it interesting how someone who claims they are never around other people, never in businesses, etc. so they do not need to get the vaccine are still trying so hard to justify their not getting the vaccine.

They dont, no. Though, it would be helpful costumers know the reason behind policies.

I don't feel they would justify it if they were not challenged because of their opinion and decisions. I don't think anyone here who isn't taking the vaccine even tried justifying ourselves before we were asked or challenged our opinions about it. That, and I assume in conversations that the person who challenges would want some sort of explanation or support of why the other disagrees.

 

[McBell]

Since the vaccine is a medical treatment, it's a bit more difficult to justify.

Actually it is not.
The exact same reasons for the mask requirements (barring the government requiring them) apply to the vaccine requirements.
Public safety.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet here you are in this thread, trying to justify your not getting the vaccine.
So if your attempts at justifying isn't to me or anyone else, why all the posts trying to justify your not getting the vaccine?

I do not need to justify not getting the vaccine. I would only need to do that if it was mandated by the government.
My posts are not about justifying not getting the vaccine, they are about standing up for my rights and the rights of others who don't want the vaccine. It is a matter of principle with me.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The truth about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today
Excerpted...
“Asymptomatic spread definitely plays a role in community spread,” said Dr. David Beckham, an infectious disease specialist who studies viruses in a lab he runs at the University of Colorado School of Medicine.

Wearing masks helps prevent asymptomatic spread of COVID-19
That means it’s all the more critical for people to follow public health measures that clearly work, chief among them wearing masks, staying far apart from people and washing hands frequently.

“The closer we can get to 100% mask wearing, the quicker we can end this outbreak and get out of the current spike of the disease,” Beckham said.

Thanks for the info, though I don't see how my post referred to masks. We've had case rises and people who haven't been wearing masks I'm sure are a huge minority. If masks worked even 90%, believe me, it wouldn't just be for COVID. Nothing wrong with mask. No one is saying they don't work. They have their place.

 

[McBell]

I do not need to justify not getting the vaccine. I would only need to do that if it was mandated by the government.
My posts are not about justifying not getting the vaccine, they are about standing up for my rights and the rights of others who don't want the vaccine. It is a matter of principle with me.

Yes, you have the right to not get the vaccine.
Just like businesses have the right to require vaccines.
Just like businesses have the right to require shoes.
Just like businesses have The right to require shirts
Just like businesses have the right to require masks.
Just like businesses have The right to prohibit firearms.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The truth about asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 | UCHealth Today
Excerpted...
“Asymptomatic spread definitely plays a role in community spread,” said Dr. David Beckham, an infectious disease specialist who studies viruses in a lab he runs at the University of Colorado School of Medicine.

Wearing masks helps prevent asymptomatic spread of COVID-19
That means it’s all the more critical for people to follow public health measures that clearly work, chief among them wearing masks, staying far apart from people and washing hands frequently.

“The closer we can get to 100% mask wearing, the quicker we can end this outbreak and get out of the current spike of the disease,” Beckham said.

Here's something I just briefly looked up
Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2

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Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate.

The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly.

Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection.

Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.

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The key points.... cloth masks provide "some" protection and has not been proven to be equally effective as medical and N95 masks... that and wearing a cloth mask should not be mandated for healthcare workers.

It's too much to read the whole thing in one setting, but masks do have their place.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Actually it is not.
The exact same reasons for the mask requirements (barring the government requiring them) apply to the vaccine requirements.
Public safety.

Vaccines aren't medical treatments? (In this context, any treatment methods-medicines, vaccines, etc-used to improve a person's physical and/or mental health)

It's dangerous out in the street, but no one is forcing us to buy guns to protect ourselves and others. It's circumstantial. Healthcare workers are at higher risk than someone whose home most of the time. Someone in a dense population is more at risk than someone in the sticks with only a handful of people in town.

Wearing masks is fine-so be. I just don't see forcing people to take vaccines as a good way to promote public safety. Its not like we woke up one day and all of the sudden we're at risk of being asymptomatic in "any" circumstance regardless the risk. It should stay voluntary. I know majority will run out to get this vaccine but, gosh, ...

 

[McBell]

Vaccines aren't medical treatments? (In this context, any treatment methods-medicines, vaccines, etc-used to improve a person's physical and/or mental health)

It is not more difficult to justify.
Why?

Because the exact same reasons for the mask requirements (barring the government requiring them) apply to the vaccine requirements.
Public safety.​

It's dangerous out in the street, but no one is forcing us to buy guns to protect ourselves and others. It's circumstantial. Healthcare workers are at higher risk than someone whose home most of the time. Someone in a dense population is more at risk than someone in the sticks with only a handful of people in town.

Wearing masks is fine-so be. I just don't see forcing people to take vaccines as a good way to promote public safety. Its not like we woke up one day and all of the sudden we're at risk of being asymptomatic in "any" circumstance regardless the risk. It should stay voluntary. I know majority will run out to get this vaccine but, gosh, ...

Again, who is "forcing" you to get vaccinated?
No one.
So why all the "should stay voluntary" talk"?

IT IS VOLUNTARY.

No one is forcing you to get the vaccine.

 

[Trailblazer]

Actually it is not.
The exact same reasons for the mask requirements (barring the government requiring them) apply to the vaccine requirements.
Public safety.

It is not the same.
The exact requirements do not apply to the vaccine, UNLESS it becomes a requirement mandated by law.
My state mandated that everyone must wear a mask in all indoor spaces, but my state did not mandate anyone to get vaccinated, nor does the federal government. The reasons are obvious. Having a foreign substance injected into your body is very different from wearing a mask on your face.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, you have the right to not get the vaccine.
Just like businesses have the right to require vaccines.
Just like businesses have the right to require shoes.
Just like businesses have The right to require shirts
Just like businesses have the right to require masks.
Just like businesses have The right to prohibit firearms.

They do have their rights and I am not trying to interfere with their rights

 

[McBell]

They do have their rights and I am not trying to interfere with their rights

what a nifty neato coincidence, they are not interfering with your rights either.