Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

[Trailblazer]

I hereby enter history & current events into evidence.
A perfect God & Trump's haircut cannot co-exist.

or his hair color.

 

[McBell]

or his hair color.

hells bells, it is his skin colour that concerns me...

I mean, is that condition contagious or what?

He said it is the florescent lights that they used outside the White House in the afternoons in place of the sun....

 

[Trailblazer]

He said it is the florescent lights that they used outside the White House in the afternoons in place of the sun....

but now he cannot us that excuse.

 

[McBell]

but now he cannot us that excuse.

I still do not understand why the sun does not shine at the White House...
I mean, does it shine at the White House now that he is gone or do they still need to use the florescent bulbs?

 

[We Never Know]

Battle rages over vaccine passports
Excerpted....
Republicans are up in arms over the possibility that businesses and local governments may require vaccine passports for people to get access to certain activities, buildings or events.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has urged his state’s GOP-controlled legislature to pass a law forbidding passes showing proof of coronavirus vaccination, while vowing to take executive action. Congressional Republicans have similarly slammed the passports, framing them as invasive.

The Biden administration has said it will provide guidance on the matter, but signaled the decisions will largely be left up to local governments and business owners.

“We’re going to provide guidance, just as we have through the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention],” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday. “There’s currently an interagency process that is looking at many of the questions around vaccine verification.”

Supporters of the idea say it will help boost businesses — especially in hard-hit industries like travel and entertainment — as COVID-19 restrictions are scaled back and more Americans receive vaccines.

“The cruise lines, for instance, want to get people back on cruises. Airlines want to get people back traveling. And quite frankly, I want to get back traveling again as well, because I haven't been on an airplane since March and I used to travel all the time,” said Tim Paydos, global vice president of IBM’s government industry business.

“I only want to get on that airplane if I feel reasonably safe that everyone in there is healthy, and that the airline is taking care of me. And so that's what this is really all about,” he added

Paydos said IBM is in talks with “just about every state” and federal agencies about such passes.

Requiring vaccine passports could allow industries that have been closed off for much of the past year to reopen while minimizing the risks of spreading the virus. And proponents say virtual passes would speed up the verification process.

In New York, which last week became the first state to formally launch a virtual pass, the voluntary information is being touted as helping the state boost businesses that faced some of the toughest restrictions during the pandemic.

For example, New York recently expanded the number of permissible wedding guest attendees from 50 to 150 — as long as all attendees have proof of a negative test result or vaccination. Similar requirements have been made as the state allows sports fans back into stadiums and arenas.

Republicans are up in arms over the possibility that businesses and local governments may require vaccine passports for people to get access to certain activities, buildings or events.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has urged his state’s GOP-controlled legislature to pass a law forbidding passes showing proof of coronavirus vaccination, while vowing to take executive action. Congressional Republicans have similarly slammed the passports, framing them as invasive.

The Biden administration has said it will provide guidance on the matter, but signaled the decisions will largely be left up to local governments and business owners.

“We’re going to provide guidance, just as we have through the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention],” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday. “There’s currently an interagency process that is looking at many of the questions around vaccine verification.”

Supporters of the idea say it will help boost businesses — especially in hard-hit industries like travel and entertainment — as COVID-19 restrictions are scaled back and more Americans receive vaccines.

“The cruise lines, for instance, want to get people back on cruises. Airlines want to get people back traveling. And quite frankly, I want to get back traveling again as well, because I haven't been on an airplane since March and I used to travel all the time,” said Tim Paydos, global vice president of IBM’s government industry business.

“I only want to get on that airplane if I feel reasonably safe that everyone in there is healthy, and that the airline is taking care of me. And so that's what this is really all about,” he added.

Paydos said IBM is in talks with “just about every state” and federal agencies about such passes.

Requiring vaccine passports could allow industries that have been closed off for much of the past year to reopen while minimizing the risks of spreading the virus. And proponents say virtual passes would speed up the verification process.

In New York, which last week became the first state to formally launch a virtual pass, the voluntary information is being touted as helping the state boost businesses that faced some of the toughest restrictions during the pandemic.

For example, New York recently expanded the number of permissible wedding guest attendees from 50 to 150 — as long as all attendees have proof of a negative test result or vaccination. Similar requirements have been made as the state allows sports fans back into stadiums and arenas.

New York’s Excelsior Pass, created in partnership with IBM, allows people to show if they have been vaccinated before attending events where proof is required.

Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont (D) on Monday signaled his state may launch a similar pass in the coming months.

“I think it’s a little premature, only in that not everyone has the vaccine available to them yet. But I like to think within a month or two when broadly available, I think you will see some type of vaccine passport or validation ... probably led by the private sector,” Lamont said at a press briefing.

Some Republican governors, though, are fiercely pushing back on such efforts.

DeSantis vowed on Monday to take executive action this week to ban the passes.

Everyone is overlooking one main thing...

"The vaccine is designed to stop the virus from making you sick. We don’t know yet if the vaccine will stop you from spreading the virus."

COVID-19 FAQs for the Community – VICTR – Vanderbilt Institute for Clinical and Translational Research

So its likely even vaccinated people will spread the virus.

 

[Revoltingest]

Everyone is overlooking one main thing...

"The vaccine is designed to stop the virus from making you sick. We don’t know yet if the vaccine will stop you from spreading the virus."

COVID-19 FAQs for the Community – VICTR – Vanderbilt Institute for Clinical and Translational Research

So its likely even vaccinated people will spread the virus.

If one gets an enhanced immune response,
this can result in fighting off the virus, thereby
becoming non-infectious....so it seems to me.
Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We just take different conclusions and make different decisions based on the same information.

You said you don't keep up with the stuff. This means we are not and cannot be making decisions based on the same information.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

From these conversations, I'd assume this is why people are jumping in the streets and dodging those who walk by them for two seconds.

Yup. Thats been going on for awhile now. It's a very easy and simple way to mitigate the risks of catching covid, because no one knows where you've been or who you've been with. It's a part of social distancing.

You're blanketing a whole global population as if everyone is at the same risk and will kill people who don't have this vaccine.

I have never done that. I know risks vary among groups. But it's a fact there is no way of knowing what the virus will do to you, and it's a fact that even the healthy and young have fallen severely ill and have also died. It's a game of Russian Roulette with a deadly virus. And with the stakes being your health and life "I'll probably be fine" isn't very assuring odds.

Totally bad comparison.

Not really. They are both ways of mitigating risks, and they are a part of the things about covid you've challenged. Like how took issue here with the global death rate and how deadly covid is was cited.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You said you don't keep up with the stuff. This means we are not and cannot be making decisions based on the same information.

Even so, my opinion would be the same. No amount of information will convince me to take anything I'm not comfortable taking.

The point isn't education. Unless you can prove a simple fact that others "are" in danger because I don't take the vaccine then you have a point.

If they say take the vaccine or you will die and here are the facts would you assess your situation or just take them at their word?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If they say take the vaccine or you will due and here are the facts would you assess your situation or just take them at their word?

That is not a valid comparison. No one is being taken on word. There is a mountain of research that has been produced over the last year, and even the vaccines have been through many trials and reviews, and have been shown to be generally very safe, like vaccines are.

Even so, my opinion would be the same. No amount of information will convince me to take anything I'm not comfortable taking.

The point isn't education. Unless you can prove a simple fact that others "are" in danger because I don't take the vaccine then you have a point.

Actually it is because the more information you take in the better decisions you can make.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yup. Thats been going on for awhile now. It's a very easy and simple way to mitigate the risks of catching covid, because no one knows where you've been or who you've been with. It's a part of social distancing.

I doubt you'd get a virus from being near someone for five seconds. I'm sure you don't agree with going in the street to avoid a person who not even arms with of you, right?

I have never done that. I know risks vary among groups. But it's a fact there is no way of knowing what the virus will do to you, and it's a fact that even the healthy and young have fallen severely ill and have also died. It's a game of Russian Roulette with a deadly virus. And with the stakes being your health and life "I'll probably be fine" isn't very assuring odds.

Yes. Noone is saying this is false. If I based my safety on everything I read on the news If been gone crazy by now.

Its only RR if you are in a situation that serves a greater risk than someone you pass on the streets.

I don't worry about the news or what people say unless the risk is the same for all people regardless the situation and risk factors.

Not really. They are both ways of mitigating risks, and they are a part of the things about covid you've challenged. Like how took issue here with the global death rate and how deadly covid is was cited.

I just challenged masks and vaccines....I offered my opinion. Death rates, I'm a bit reserved on, even if we entered a conversation, it would be off since the numbers are different in each source so looked up.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is not a valid comparison. No one is being taken on word. There is a mountain of research that has been produced over the last year, and even the vaccines have been through many trials and reviews, and have been shown to be generally very safe, like vaccines are.

Yes they are safe. No one said their information is wrong. There are people who have researched in-depth and have decided not to take the vaccine. It really has to do with people's independent decision to take or not take the vaccine without either party being reprimanded for their choices.

Not taking the vaccine doesn't mean people are ignorant of the facts.

Actually it is because the more information you take in the better decisions you can make.

But you're saying that people who have researched but decided not to take the vaccine aren't making a good decision despite their research (edit-rather, you're saying people who decide not to take the vaccine have not done their research).

I agree the more we know, the better decisions we make but that's not the issue.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is not a valid comparison. No one is being taken on word. There is a mountain of research that has been produced over the last year, and even the vaccines have been through many trials and reviews, and have been shown to be generally very safe, like vaccines are.

Actually it is because the more information you take in the better decisions you can make.

The point isn't education. Unless you can prove a simple fact that others "are" in danger because I don't take the vaccine then you have a point.

Actually it is because the more information you take in the better decisions you can make.

(Also) True. But can you prove its a fact that people "are" at risk being around people who have not taken the vaccine?

Potential/could/risk, and so forth aren't facts. Of course being concerned is highly natural but projecting that concern on others-thinking they should be just as such or uncaring-I see a problem in that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes they are safe. No one said their information is wrong. There are people who have researched in-depth and have decided not to take the vaccine. It really has to do with people's independent decision to take or not take the vaccine without either party being reprimanded for their choices.

Not taking the vaccine doesn't mean people are ignorant of the facts.



But you're saying that people who have researched but decided not to take the vaccine aren't making a good decision despite their research (edit-rather, you're saying people who decide not to take the vaccine have not done their research).

I agree the more we know, the better decisions we make but that's not the issue.

I wonder if any epidemiologists or virologists have refused?
I ask because some doctors don't actually understand such
things as well as we might think. I'm thinking of a cousin on
Mrs Revolt's side (anesthesiologist).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I wonder if any epidemiologists or virologists have refused?
I ask because some doctors don't actually understand such
things as well as we might think. I'm thinking of a cousin on
Mrs Revolt's side (anesthesiologist).

(Trying to figure how to phrase this)

They say the vaccine is safe
They say there's little side effects
They say this or that.

No one is saying they are wrong.

Do you feel people should make a decision to take the vaccine because they say it's safe and the information is accurate or should they make a decision based on their own situation, health and well-being, and lifestyle?

Do you believe that people are ignorant (or need to be so) if they make a decision to not take the vaccine even though it's safe?

It sounds like you guys are saying people who aren't taking the vaccine are making decisions based on not believing doctors or challenging the facts. That's a total false association.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I wonder if any epidemiologists or virologists have refused?

If they feel it's not appropriate for them given their situation, risk factors, and general well-being.

 

[Revoltingest]

(Trying to figure how to phrase this)

They say the vaccine is safe
They say there's little side effects
They say this or that.

No one is saying they are wrong.

Do you feel people should make a decision to take the vaccine because they say it's safe and the information is accurate or should they make a decision based on their own situation, health and well-being, and lifestyle?

Do you believe that people are ignorant (or need to be so) if they make a decision to not take the vaccine even though it's safe?

It sounds like you guys are saying people who aren't taking the vaccine are making decisions based on not believing doctors or challenging the facts. That's a total false association.

Those who don't take the vaccine....sometimes they're
given credibility because they're in a medical field.
But there are many medical specialties, so expertise
should not be automatically assumed. Epidemiologists
& virologists would be better sources than nurses,
nutritionists, anesthesiologists, etc.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Those who don't take the vaccine....sometimes they're
given credibility because they're in a medical field.
But there are many medical specialties, so expertise
should not be automatically assumed. Epidemiologists
& virologists would be better sources than nurses,
nutritionists, anesthesiologists, etc.

Even so, it doesn't address my questions though.

EDIT

If someone is 100% specialist in the virus, knows the vaccine is safe, and all the above, and decides not to take it because of his circumstance, lifestyle, and risk factor, do you blame him for making what you'd consider a wrong decision?

 

[Revoltingest]

Even so, it doesn't address my questions though.

EDIT

If someone is 100% specialist in the virus, knows the vaccine is safe, and all the above, and decides not to take it because of his circumstance, lifestyle, and risk factor, do you blame him for making what you'd consider a wrong decision?

I'm not blaming anyone.
I'm considering standards for evaluating info used to make decisions

Who is this person?
What are the reasons?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm not blaming anyone.
I'm considering standards for evaluating info used to make decisions

Who is this person?
What are the reasons?

If the reasons lined up that it's in the doctor's favor not to take the vaccine, would he be at fault?

 

[Revoltingest]

If the reasons lined up that it's in the doctor's favor not to take the vaccine, would he be at fault?

"Fault" would apply if there wrongs resulted.
This sounds too hypothetical.
I question who is deciding to not take the shot, & why.