But you said you were okay with abortion...

[Me Myself]

And you are claiming to be arguing from the angle of "fair"?

Wow.

I dont see how world of warcraft has anything to do with this.

 

[Kerr]

Ana made a promise, won't she have to take responsibility for it?

Not that promise.

 

[Kerr]

I dont see how world of warcraft has anything to do with this.

Are you being silly or did you forget "wow" means more things then "world of warcraft" ?

 

[Me Myself]

Are you being silly or did you forget "wow" means more things then "world of warcraft" ?

What can I say? he basically made a non comment comment I felt like replying with another one

Least my spam is half fun

 

[Renji]

Not to mention the pain and suffering, the nausea, bloating, extra weight....

And all that is if there are zero complications...

Can't forget the tests, the ultrasounds, prescriptions...

Not to mention missed work...

I wonder what the going rate is for a hospital room during delivery...

This is brilliant!

 

[Willamena]

I would say any of them be it man or women should always be able to renounce their parental rights. She would be able to give the child for adoption and if the man wants the child he would be required to both pay for it and raise him/her and she will be left with NO responsibility to the child.

Further more, probably she could argue for some of those US lawsuits for emotional damage caused by such lie!

Whats fair is fair.

It's about the child's rights, not parents' rights. Nobody gets to abandon a child. That's what's fair.

 

[lunakilo]

How about this scenario: Lady was told by Man that he had a vasectomy. But he really didn't have one and she ended up pregnant. Should she be able to give her newborn to Man to raise and not have to pay any child support?

I don't see much legal difference between this Lady-Man scenario and the Harry-Ana scenario.

Only difference is that in the Harry-Ana scenario the lie was not mad on purpose.
But how would Lady prove that Man had lied about the vasectomy?
If she wanted to be sure she should have asked for medical evidence that this was in fact the case. She didn't so she is also responsible for not making sure she did not get pregnant.

Both Lady and Man share the responsibility and both have to support the child un less they can work out an agreement between them which releases one of them from the responsibility.

 

[Koldo]

As I just mentioned, not all promises are legally binding. What makes this promise one that should be considered binding?

I think all promises should be legally binding.

 

[Koldo]

Ana's promise is in a legal context worth about zip, and Harry must have known this going in.
Also he should have been open to the possibility that Ana might change her mind.
People tend to get emotional when it comes to kids and pregnancies (blame evolution), and thus these things are never really decided until they are.

In other words, Ana won't have to take responsibility for her promise.

You want Harry to take responsibility, but not Ana.

 

[lunakilo]

I think all promises should be legally binding.

Person A: "But you promised..."
Person B: "No I didn't"

How do you plan to resolve that?

In other words, Ana won't have to take responsibility for her promise.

You want Harry to take responsibility, but not Ana.

I know I am not jarofthoughts, but as I see it - Yes.

Actually I want Ana to take responsibility for her promise by releasing Harry from his responsibilities as a father, but I don't see that as the responsibility of the law.

 

[Koldo]

Person A: "But you promised..."
Person B: "No I didn't"

How do you plan to resolve that?

You need to prove the promise happened.
A recording, the own person admitting, or something along these lines.

I know I am not jarofthoughts, but as I see it - Yes.

Actually I want Ana to take responsibility for her promise by releasing Harry from his responsibilities as a father, but I don't see that as the responsibility of the law.

Why not?

 

[lunakilo]

Why not?

Because if you make promises legally binding no matter what you will end up in some stupid situations.

One thing is that you will somehow need to prove that someone made a promise.
How would you go about that?
Imagine that a person claimes you promised to buy him a car, and he has 3 witneses who are willing to swear they heard you say that.
You can say all you want that you never made that promise, but there were witneses...

Or what if you promise something by mistake? Maybe you are drunk and the words come out wrong and you managed to promise that pretty girl a diamant.

Or if you say something that can be mistaken for a promise but you didn't mean it as a promise.

It just becomes SOOO complicated.

If people want to make liars of themselves by promising something and then go back on their word I think they sould be free to do so - legally that is.
But they are still liars and people will know that in the future and will probably never trust their word again.

 

[jarofthoughts]

In other words, Ana won't have to take responsibility for her promise.

You want Harry to take responsibility, but not Ana.

Actually, I want both of them to take responsibility.
They had sex.
That resulted in a child.
They get to deal with the consequences.

End of list.

I don't see why this is considered so complicated.
If you bring a child into this world you take care of it any way you can.
If you're not prepared to do that, then keep it in your pants.
No-one forced either one of them to have sex.

Simple.

 

[Koldo]

Actually, I want both of them to take responsibility.
They had sex.
That resulted in a child.
They get to deal with the consequences.

End of list.

I don't see why this is considered so complicated.
If you bring a child into this world you take care of it any way you can.
If you're not prepared to do that, then keep it in your pants.
No-one forced either one of them to have sex.

Simple.

How is Ana taking responsibility for her promise?

 

[Koldo]

Because if you make promises legally binding no matter what you will end up in some stupid situations.

One thing is that you will somehow need to prove that someone made a promise.
How would you go about that?
Imagine that a person claimes you promised to buy him a car, and he has 3 witneses who are willing to swear they heard you say that.
You can say all you want that you never made that promise, but there were witneses...

I already told you.
Recordings and the person admitting it would work just fine.
Witnesses are never reliable.

Or what if you promise something by mistake? Maybe you are drunk and the words come out wrong and you managed to promise that pretty girl a diamant.

If you are (clearly) drunk you are not even in position to give consent.
How could you be in the position to make a promise?

Or if you say something that can be mistaken for a promise but you didn't mean it as a promise.

Like?

It just becomes SOOO complicated.

If people want to make liars of themselves by promising something and then go back on their word I think they sould be free to do so - legally that is.
But they are still liars and people will know that in the future and will probably never trust their word again.

Why should they be free to do so?

 

[jarofthoughts]

How is Ana taking responsibility for her promise?

Her promise is irrelevant in this context.
The child is what matters.

 

[Kerr]

Her promise is irrelevant in this context.
The child is what matters.

I would even say it was silly to make such a promise in the first place. Men and women can both change their mind when babies comes into the picture, so making any promise about it is just premature and should not be taken seriously in any way.

 

[Kerr]

Srupid question, but if two people enter an agreement to not have babies and they she ends up pregnant, if both of them wants to keep it, would the agreement be nullified?

 

[Koldo]

Her promise is irrelevant in this context.
The child is what matters.

In other words, Ana won't have to take responsibility for her promise.

You absolutely do not care about this.

Simple indeed.

 

[Koldo]

Srupid question, but if two people enter an agreement to not have babies and they she ends up pregnant, if both of them wants to keep it, would the agreement be nullified?

Certainly. Typically, if both parts don't want an agreement to be upheld anymore, it is nullified.