But you said you were okay with abortion...

[lunakilo]

I already told you.
Recordings and the person admitting it would work just fine.
Witnesses are never reliable.



If you are (clearly) drunk you are not even in position to give consent.
How could you be in the position to make a promise?

And how would you prove that you were clearly drunk and your promise is therfore void?

Why should they be free to do so?

It is not that I think it is fine that people lie. The point I am trying to make is that making laws that make promises legally binding would be insanely complicated and only lead to people misusing them.

Better to let people decide on their own if they trust that the person who gives them a promise will keep their word.
If they do they run the risk that the person will not keep his word

 

[Koldo]

And how would you prove that you were clearly drunk and your promise is therfore void?

It would be pretty clear from your voice and/or the context of your conversation in a recording.

It is not that I think it is fine that people lie. The point I am trying to make is that making laws that make promises legally binding would be insanely complicated and only lead to people misusing them.

Better to let people decide on their own if they trust that the person who gives them a promise will keep their word.
If they do they run the risk that the person will not keep his word

It all depends on how it is done.
The further our technologies advance the easier it will be to enforce this.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

It would be pretty clear from your voice and/or the context of your conversation in a recording.



It all depends on how it is done.
The further our technologies advance the easier it will be to enforce this.

Oh goodie. An advocate for Big Brother monitoring! :clap

In your perfect world, be careful. Such advocacy can and will come back and bite YOU in the behind.

 

[Koldo]

Oh goodie. An advocate for Big Brother monitoring! :clap

In your perfect world, be careful. Such advocacy can and will come back and bite YOU in the behind.

What? :sarcastic

 

[NIX]

Oh goodie. An advocate for Big Brother monitoring! :clap

In your perfect world, be careful. Such advocacy can and will come back and bite YOU in the behind.

right?


Carry blank legal documents with your condoms. Perhaps I could market a brand where it comes right in the packet. But still you will need a pen. Protection comes in many forms.

 

[Koldo]

right?


Carry blank legal documents with your condoms. Perhaps I could market a brand where it comes right in the packet. But still you will need a pen. Protection comes in many forms.

What?! :areyoucra

 

[NIX]

right?


Carry blank legal documents with your condoms. Perhaps I could market a brand where it comes right in the packet. But still you will need a pen. Protection comes in many forms.

Best make sure she's good and horny before you pull it out though (the form of course I mean), and a couple drinks or so would probably help. Also your chances of signed off sex might be significantly better if you're notably good looking. (or she's notably homely)

Do we need a notary from the bar? Bar tender! Don't forget to slip em a tip.

 

[Koldo]

Best make sure she's good and horny before you pull it out though (the form of course I mean), and a couple drinks or so would probably help. Also your chances of signed off sex might be significantly better if you're notably good looking. (or she's notably homely)

Do we need a notary from the bar? Bar tender notaries! Don't forget to slip em a tip.

What are you talking about?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What are you talking about?

LOL Your suggestion of how to legally bind an agreement from a one night stand that gives a man a better chance to be protected from the responsibilities of fatherhood.

You're confused because the actual implications of your suggestion is ridiculous.

 

[NIX]

What about men who promise their stay at home wives that they can have as many children as she wants and he will support them. And then he finds it's too much, or he can't- or he simply doesn't want to anymore. ie- he changes his mind. That woman should NOT be made to go to work- nor should she be forced to have an abortion if she gets pregnant again. After all, he promised.

 

[NIX]

What about people who promise to love honor and cherish their spouses till DEATH DO THEY PART. I wanna see a death certificate. Divorce is not fair. He/She PROMISED.

 

[NIX]

Why do we even allow people to disolve promisory legal agreements to begin with? Why is divorce even legal? The vows weren't "till death or divorce do we part".

Maybe, for the sake of legal accuracy they SHOULD be.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What about people who promise to love honor and cherish their spouses till DEATH DO THEY PART. I wanna see a death certificate. Divorce is not fair. He/She PROMISED.

And, the marriage license is legally binding, and that the verbal promise was made in front of witnesses that the marriage would last until the death of one or both of them.

Of course, it doesn't matter if the dad is molesting the children, or the mom is chasing the dad around with a knife. That marriage should last by law because they both said they were okay with being married for life. They should face the consequences of their decisions.

 

[NIX]

And, the marriage license is legally binding, and that the verbal promise was made in front of witnesses that the marriage would last until the death of one or both of them.

Of course, it doesn't matter if the dad is molesting the children, or the mom is chasing the dad around with a knife. That marriage should last by law because they both said they were okay with being married for life. They should face the consequences of their decisions.

If you legally promised to LOVE HONOR and CHERISH, you damn well better find a way to do it. No matter how much you can't stand him/her.

Who cares what people find they ACTUALLY want and need. A promise is a promise.

 

[Willamena]

Oh goodie. An advocate for Big Brother monitoring! :clap

That was my thought, too.

"Ana, I love you! Let's have unprotected sex! Here, speak a little louder into the microphone..."

 

[Koldo]

LOL Your suggestion of how to legally bind an agreement from a one night stand that gives a man a better chance to be protected from the responsibilities of fatherhood.

You're confused because the actual implications of your suggestion is ridiculous.

I am confused because no clear connection is being made between what i was talking about and those posts...

 

[Koldo]

And, the marriage license is legally binding, and that the verbal promise was made in front of witnesses that the marriage would last until the death of one or both of them.

Of course, it doesn't matter if the dad is molesting the children, or the mom is chasing the dad around with a knife. That marriage should last by law because they both said they were okay with being married for life. They should face the consequences of their decisions.

If you legally promised to LOVE HONOR and CHERISH, you damn well better find a way to do it. No matter how much you can't stand him/her.

Who cares what people find they ACTUALLY want and need. A promise is a promise.

Actually, once the dad starts molesting the children or the mom starts trying to kill dad, they are ( at very least ) not honoring their spouses. Which means they broke their promises. It was an agreement where both parts made a promise. If one side breaks their promise, the other is certainly not expected to keep it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think all promises should be legally binding.

Well, too bad. It's not going to happen.

So... to sum up what I see as the message in this thread: "pro-choice people who aren't okay with this weird hypothetical would be hypocrites... if the law was the way I want, but it's not, so they aren't."

 

[Koldo]

Well, too bad. It's not going to happen.

So... to sum up what I see as the message in this thread: "pro-choice people who aren't okay with this weird hypothetical would be hypocrites... if the law was the way I want, but it's not, so they aren't."

Weird hypothetical situation?
A situation where a woman changes her mind about abortion is weird?

And what do you mean by being okay with this situation?

 

[NIX]

Actually, once the dad starts molesting the children or the mom starts trying to kill dad, they are ( at very least ) not honoring their spouses. Which means they broke their promises. It was an agreement where both parts made a promise. If one side breaks their promise, the other is certainly not expected to keep it.

Yeah. Those weren't my examples though. Very often people simply change or outgrow one another. They no longer share the same goals and visions and can't partner amicably due to irreconcilable differences. This would constitute the majority of divorces. No one's fault really. Life changes. People change. Circumstances and needs and dreams change. That's just the way of life and people.