By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[SkepticThinker]

I believe the idea that evolution is fact is pure fantasy.

Evolution is a fact of life. A demonstrable one. Allele frequencies in populations change over time. That's a fact.
Sorry you can't accept reality.

 

[servant1]

I consider Christ to be, first and foremost, a great moral teacher. If we all lived or tried to live according to the revolutionary principles expressed in the Sermon on the Mount, the world would be a far better place than it currently is.

I agree. The problem is, the majority of religions claiming to be Christian teach little of what Jesus taught. Those taught in the schools of men and become ministers( pastors) whatever they call themselves, are paid to teach their religious brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus taught. Most do not bother to learn all that Jesus taught. That is very sad. Because Jesus teaches-John 15:10-14--((((((((To remain his friend and remain in his love, one must obey him.)))))))))-- Its impossible for one to obey him if they do not know all that he teaches. And he summed up his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) in a single teaching when he said--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT. Thus reality = Ones taking the lead in Jesus' real religion, without fail teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock, it never stops. All can look at their ministers and see if they do that, if not, they do not belong to Jesus-RUN FROM THEM( 2Cor 11:12-15)

 

[YoursTrue]

You ( and many others) can and will select whatever writings that agree with their predetermined philosophies, then follow them. The Bible has stood the test for thousands of years; alternatives come and go. No more needs to be said...

BTW, why do you finish your post with quotes from the Bible? Why not quote from "New Testament Revelations of Jesus of Nazareth" if that is your preferred source of truth? You can't accept both.

I do realize that some here believe in evolution and also go to church. They also may say that the Bible is mythical. How do you feel about that? Do you believe that much of the Bible is based on myths?

 

[jimb]

I do realize that some here believe in evolution and also go to church. They also may say that the Bible is mythical. How do you feel about that? Do you believe that much of the Bible is based on myths?

It depends what you mean by "myth". A myth can be "a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon and typically involving supernatural beings or events". If that is what you mean, then some of the Bible is based on myths. The Bible is meant to teach about God's interaction with His creation. Some of that teaching is stories to teach certain principles, such as the story of Adam and Eve. But that doesn't mean that the Bible is false.

To say that "much of the Bible is based on myths" is not true.

 

[YoursTrue]

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It depends what you mean by "myth". A myth can be "a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon and typically involving supernatural beings or events". If that is what you mean, then some of the Bible is based on myths. The Bible is meant to teach about God's interaction with His creation. Some of that teaching is stories to teach certain principles, such as the story of Adam and Eve. But that doesn't mean that the Bible is false.

To say that "much of the Bible is based on myths" is not true.

It might help for you to ask those such as: @IndigoChild5559 , @Subduction Zone and more what they think about the Bible's authenticity. Thanks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

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It might help for you to ask those such as: @IndigoChild5559 , @Subduction Zone and more what they think about the Bible's authenticity. Thanks.

The Bible does not appear to have very much in the way of "authenticity" since it has failures from start to finish.

You seem to believe that. What evidence do you have to support that claim?

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible does not appear to have very much in the way of "authenticity" since it has failures from start to finish.

You seem to believe that. What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Hopefully you might elucidate your queries and ask others here who claim to be theists. Maybe such learned ones can help answer your question. I defer. To those theists especially those who tell me I'm uneducated -- do not understand the Trinity -- maybe they can help you.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible does not appear to have very much in the way of "authenticity" since it has failures from start to finish.

You seem to believe that. What evidence do you have to support that claim?

Very quiet on the theist front by those who say they believe in God and evolution and also talk about the Bible being filled with lots of myths. They are behind the bushes, perhaps? Waiting for the next convenient time to come out?

 

[YoursTrue]

The Bible does not appear to have very much in the way of "authenticity" since it has failures from start to finish.

You seem to believe that. What evidence do you have to support that claim?

By the way, thank you for your answer. I hope those here can say why they are "theists."

 

[jimb]

By the way, thank you for your answer. I hope those here can say why they are "theists."

If by "theist", you mean a person who believes in the existence of God, then let's take it a step further...

I know that God exists. I have been born again by His Spirit and know that my sins have been paid for by Jesus Christ.

Even though I know that you won't (can't!) accept my proof, here is the best description of knowledge that God exists.

Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see." This means the assurance that God exists.
Hebrews 11:6, "Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Put those two verses together and you have your answer. It's not belief, it's knowledge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Very quiet on the theist front by those who say they believe in God and evolution and also talk about the Bible being filled with lots of myths. They are behind the bushes, perhaps? Waiting for the next convenient time to come out?

How was this supposed to help you with your claim about the Bible?

 

[YoursTrue]

If by "theist", you mean a person who believes in the existence of God, then let's take it a step further...

I know that God exists. I have been born again by His Spirit and know that my sins have been paid for by Jesus Christ.

Even though I know that you won't (can't!) accept my proof, here is the best description of knowledge that God exists.

Hebrews 11:1, "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for, being convinced of what we do not see." This means the assurance that God exists.
Hebrews 11:6, "Now without faith it is impossible to please him, for the one who approaches God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Put those two verses together and you have your answer. It's not belief, it's knowledge.

Perhaps you can convince those who don't believe that God exists.

 

[YoursTrue]

How was this supposed to help you with your claim about the Bible?

Jimb is pretty convinced that God exists in the form of the trinity...maybe he can help you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Jimb is pretty convinced that God exists in the form of the trinity...maybe he can help you.

No, we are talking about your claim.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, we are talking about your claim.

I'm encouraging you to talk to others as to why they believe in god, gods, of whatever God they choose.

 

[jimb]

Perhaps you can convince those who don't believe that God exists.

I have been trying that for a long time. Many people's minds are so closed that they will not even allow themselves to think that God exists. I was like that many years ago, but then God performed a miracle in my life and I knew that He existed. So, I know exactly how those doubters and nay-sayers think. But that will not prevent me from discussing it with them.

Perhaps one day they will lower their defenses and try to understand the truth, i.e., that God exists.

 

[jimb]

Jimb is pretty convinced that God exists in the form of the trinity...maybe he can help you.

I have stopped discussing things with @Subduction Zone, as all he wants to do is argue and/or try to prove he's right. If someone won't at least give some credence to what another person says, there is no point in having a discussion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have stopped discussing things with @Subduction Zone, as all he wants to do is argue and/or try to prove he's right. If someone won't at least give some credence to what another person says, there is no point in having a discussion.

All that I require is for others to support their claims. Though if someone is willing to state that what they have is just a belief I will accept that they believe that. The problem arises when people claim to have facts and refuse to support them.

 

[jimb]

I agree. The problem is, the majority of religions claiming to be Christian teach little of what Jesus taught. Those taught in the schools of men and become ministers( pastors) whatever they call themselves, are paid to teach their religious brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus taught. Most do not bother to learn all that Jesus taught. That is very sad. Because Jesus teaches-John 15:10-14--((((((((To remain his friend and remain in his love, one must obey him.)))))))))-- Its impossible for one to obey him if they do not know all that he teaches. And he summed up his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) in a single teaching when he said--Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY utterance from God= OT-NT. Thus reality = Ones taking the lead in Jesus' real religion, without fail teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock, it never stops. All can look at their ministers and see if they do that, if not, they do not belong to Jesus-RUN FROM THEM( 2Cor 11:12-15)

You are "way off base".

1) the majority of religions claiming to be Christian teach little of what Jesus taught. Actually, they teach primarily from the New Testament, from the gospels that describe Jesus' life to the epistles, which expand on Jesus teaching to Revelation, which describes Jesus in the end times.

2) Those taught in the schools of men and become ministers( pastors) whatever they call themselves, are paid to teach their religious brand of dogma and teach little of what Jesus taught. Most do not bother to learn all that Jesus taught. Oh, I see. You (and you alone), who I doubt has a degree in theology or even attended a Christian college, know more of what Jesus taught then people who devoted their lives to the principles that Christ taught.

3) Most do not bother to learn all that Jesus taught. But you, unlike them, not only know what Jesus taught, but claim to be able to teach what He taught others.

4) You, of course, know all that He taught, but everyone else hasn't a clue.

5) Ones taking the lead in Jesus' real religion, without fail teach EVERY utterance from God to the flock, it never stops. a) You don't have a flock and b) you aren't teaching "every utterance". In fact, b) you don't cite all of John 15:10-14, you take one phrase out of context from one verse. And you criticize others' teaching???

6) One can obey Christ without knowing all that He teaches.

7) Have you memorized the entire Bible? I would guess that you haven't even memorized 1%!

8) Who are you to determine who belongs to Jesus and who doesn't?

9) Here are a couple of things for you to think about. 1) Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, but clearly you don't obey that teaching. 2) Try reading (and learning from) Luke 8:9-14, then come back and post what you learned.

 

[YoursTrue]

All that I require is for others to support their claims. Though if someone is willing to state that what they have is just a belief I will accept that they believe that. The problem arises when people claim to have facts and refuse to support them.

nah -- while I do not agree with some here about everything they say, all you do so far that I have seen and recall is say, "no, you're wrong, uneducated -- don't know what you're talking about -- etc. and etc." things like that. Sooo -- have a good one.