By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[Subduction Zone]

Lol my husband must hear my laughter...thanks, SZ!

I am betting that he would agree with me. Maybe not to your face, but he would probably say "Yeah, she is that way". You are purposefully ignorant which does mean that you do not have any grounds for complaint.

Change your behavior and people will treat you better.

 

[John53]

By the way -- if you claim to be Christian... how can you support a religion that protects paedophiles?

 

[Subduction Zone]

By the way -- if you claim to be Christian... how can you support a religion that protects paedophiles?

Islam is not much better. And we see this behavior in all sorts of groups. The police in the US appear to have an us against them mentality for almost anyone that is not in law enforcement. For the police to turn on one of their own they have to be almost as bad as some Catholic priests.

 

[John53]

Islam is not much better. And we see this behavior in all sorts of groups. The police in the US appear to have an us against them mentality for almost anyone that is not in law enforcement. For the police to turn on one of their own they have to be almost as bad as some Catholic priests.

The entertainment industry is one of the worst but this thread is about claiming to be Christian.

 

[jimb]

Southern Christians once used the Bible to justify atrocities like slavery. Christians have also used the Bible to support contradictory beliefs, like conditional salvation versus unconditional salvation. To be honest, I don't see why we should accept any of their personal interpretations of the Bible as "gospel truth."

So, what should be accepted? Whom/what do you claim to be the embodiment of perfect truth? If you can't give a definitive answer (which is what I suspect), what should a person accept?

 

[jimb]

By the way -- if you claim to be Christian... how can you support a religion that protects paedophiles?

That is total nonsense!!! Why post such inflammatory nonsense???

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Somehow I notice that rule doesn't apply to argument about evolution. Insults fly especially from evolutionists to those not accepting the theory. Of evolution. I rephrase. Sorry. Not all those believing without doubt in the theory of evolution insult those who do not.

I advise you to speak privately with the staff if you have a problem with the moderating of the Evolution vs. Creationism forum. The Evolution vs. Creationism debates aren't my cup of tea anyway, and as I'm not a staff member, I don't have any authority in the moderation of that forum.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I encourage you to pray for understanding. Take care.

Are you sincere, or did you make that statement because @Trailblazer is a Baha'i, not a Christian, and does not share your beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness?

 

[YoursTrue]

Are you sincere, or did you make that statement because @Trailblazer is a Baha'i, not a Christian, and does not share your beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness?

It doesn't matter. Prayer for truth is essential. Bye.

 

[John53]

That is total nonsense!!!

I'm sure the victims don't think it's nonsense.

Why post such inflammatory nonsense???

Better to sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't happen?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

It doesn't matter. Prayer for truth is essential. Bye.

I thought it mattered, or else I wouldn't have asked. I saw it as a not-so-subtle insinuation that you think she doesn't understand the Bible because she isn't a JW. So, I thought I'd ask to make sure that I didn't misunderstand you. In terms of praying for the truth, I don't believe that prayer is essential in my life.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How come their staff that they threw down became snakes?

You mean the Egyptian magician staffs?

The Bible doesn’t say, but probably because the intelligent entities / demons behind these powers, are copycats. (The first plague that followed - frogs - these magicians, through the demons, were able to imitate, but Jehovah prevented them from copycatting the rest.) And these demons, a.k.a. “the angels that sinned” and also as “the angels that forsook their proper dwelling place” (2 Peter 2:4 & Jude 1:6) are very adept at acting, being pretenders and imposters.

They use many tactics to mislead humans…. Not just with religious practices and teachings, but also through secular means.

Also, were there any poison snakes around?

That would have no bearing.
These were supernatural events, not by any natural means.

 

[jimb]

I'm sure the victims don't think it's nonsense.



Better to sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't happen?

CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT SUPPORT PEDOPHILES!

Maybe in your mind it does, but that just proves the state of your mind!

Better to sweep your unsubstantiated nonsense where it belongs!!!

 

[John53]

CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT SUPPORT PEDOPHILES!

I didn't say it does. Try reading what I posted.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

How come their staff that they threw down became snakes?

Do you also believe that the biblical tales of a talking serpent, a talking donkey, and Jonah living in the stomach of a big fish for three days are true?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How come their staff that they threw down became snakes? What was the reasoning for this? Also, were there any poison snakes around?

I replied in post #3,532, but I have to ask: why did you say “poison”? (Most snakes are not venomous.) Is there some reason?

Or did you just mean “snakes”?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I have only an outsider's understanding of Judaism, but it is my understanding that Jewish beliefs do not include a Fall of Man,

Hello Blü 2…

Religious beliefs evolve over time, due to influence of others.

(This certainly occurred in Christianity, as it was prophesied to happen! — Acts 20:29,30; 2 Tim. 2:16-18; 1 John 2:18; Matt. 7:21-23; etc.)

Maybe it’s not a prominent belief in Judaism currently, but a few OT passages discuss the idea of sin, and it being inherited:

King David said @ Psalm 51:5…
“Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin.”

1 Kings 8:46…”there is no man that does not sin”

Isaiah 33:24 (which ties sin to the reason behind human sickness)…
“And no resident will say, ‘I am sick’. [Why?] The people who are dwelling in the land will be those pardoned for their error.”

And referencing the need for the Messiah…
Isaiah 53:8b says….
“For he was cut off from the land of the living; Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke.”
Daniel, in Daniel 9, foretold about 70 weeks, which turned out to be 490 years instead of days, during which time “Messiah the Leader” would appear, “…in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness.” This meshes well with the Isaiah 53 prophecy.

In light of the requirements given in Leviticus 17:11, can you provide an alternative explanation as to how these apply?
To me, it well explains why the Israelites offered sacrifices, and why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary, to atone for all men’s imperfection / sin. All those who accept it, that is.

If I may ask you this: what do you expect will happen to you, when you die? (Believe it or not, your view probably agrees with what I believe.)

Take care.

 

[blü 2]

Hello Blü 2…

Religious beliefs evolve over time, due to influence of others.

(This certainly occurred in Christianity, as it was prophesied to happen! — Acts 20:29,30; 2 Tim. 2:16-18; 1 John 2:18; Matt. 7:21-23; etc.)

Maybe it’s not a prominent belief in Judaism currently, but a few OT passages discuss the idea of sin, and it being inherited:

King David said @ Psalm 51:5…
“Look! I was born guilty of error, And my mother conceived me in sin.”

1 Kings 8:46…”there is no man that does not sin”

Isaiah 33:24 (which ties sin to the reason behind human sickness)…
“And no resident will say, ‘I am sick’. [Why?] The people who are dwelling in the land will be those pardoned for their error.”

And referencing the need for the Messiah…
Isaiah 53:8b says….
“For he was cut off from the land of the living; Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke.”
Daniel, in Daniel 9, foretold about 70 weeks, which turned out to be 490 years instead of days, during which time “Messiah the Leader” would appear, “…in order to terminate the transgression, to finish off sin, to make atonement for error, to bring in everlasting righteousness.” This meshes well with the Isaiah 53 prophecy.

In light of the requirements given in Leviticus 17:11, can you provide an alternative explanation as to how these apply?
To me, it well explains why the Israelites offered sacrifices, and why Jesus’ sacrifice was necessary, to atone for all men’s imperfection / sin. All those who accept it, that is.

If I may ask you this: what do you expect will happen to you, when you die? (Believe it or not, your view probably agrees with what I believe.)

Take care.

salue, amice! I trust all things are good at your place.

First, as to the Jewish view of sin, it appears to me not to include the proposition that humanity is a fallen species, but rather that each believer should do their best to avoid sinning. If those who know Judaism better than I do would like to add to or amend that view, I'd be interested to hear.

Second, death is the irreversible cessation of the body's life support systems, and when that happens to me I ─ as a person, a personality, a living entity, an aware entity, a distinct set of genes, memories and views ─ that will be the end for me. I will have finished my turn and be no more. As the thoughtful author of Ecclesiastes said (9:4-6),

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward; but the memory of them is lost.

Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun.​

(I might amend that last phrase to "under the sun or anywhere else.")

 

[Muffled]

I agree with one's words em-"bold"-ened by me .

Regards

I do not believe I have heard anything to the affect of the NT being changed other than Muslims who fantasize it.

 

[Muffled]

Then you know parts of the Bible are spurious and so you don't believe all of it. Plus, you know that when the Bible says a snake talked the snake didn't talk, that Eve was deceived. You know that it wasn't the Nephilim the scouts saw when scouting out the land, they were only cowards, all the Nephilim had perished in the flood. You know it isn't entirely accurate to say that you believe every bit of the Bible.

I believe I don't believe the Nephilim died in the flood since I believe the flood was local and those people didn't live there.