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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Reread what I said. I'm pointing out you are rejecting these disciplines.
I am rejecting the idea that science can figure out how the universe came into being, as well as the idea that life started with droppings from outer space or from something in the oceanic waters.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
At least until they find it necessary to include an intelligent designer. Once their equations and theories no longer continue making accurate predictions, they'll be more open to new ideas. Maybe some model that everyone is willing to learn and accept will be found...

That's when one could propose a paper involving a Designer, presuming there is any way to prove such a thing with an equation or test it with an experiment. :wink:
It all depends upon what a person may consider as proof, isn't that so? On the other hand, if you want to believe it, I have learned that for science, there is no proof. Maybe I'm wrong about this, so you or someone else can correct me if that is wrong.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It all depends upon what a person may consider as proof, isn't that so? On the other hand, if you want to believe it, I have learned that for science, there is no proof. Maybe I'm wrong about this, so you or someone else can correct me if that is wrong.
There is no proof in science, but you have far far less than that. Which makes science the superior discipline. You only have feelings and those are wrong far more often than they are right. Have you ever wondered how casinos keep in business? Anyone with even basic math skills can see that the house will always win. Casinos know how to use people confirmation bias against them. When someone wins bells and whistles go off. Everyone celebrates a person winning. That makes other gamblers think that they can win too if they keep playing. If you lose there is no pain or punishment. Your money is just gone. But you can win on the next spin!! Well actually you will almost surely lose. Many people simply cannot learn that lesson because of how good "winning" feels even if it occurs so rarely that on average you lose. Religions are play on this too. They play the game of Heads God Wins, Tales, You Lose.. If something good happens it is attributed to God. If something bad happens it is always your fault. Then they fool people to still feel that it is their fault if something bad happens, but God forgives them if they believe in him. The House wins again.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There is no proof in science, but you have far far less than that. Which makes science the superior discipline. You only have feelings and those are wrong far more often than they are right. Have you ever wondered how casinos keep in business? Anyone with even basic math skills can see that the house will always win. Casinos know how to use people confirmation bias against them. When someone wins bells and whistles go off. Everyone celebrates a person winning. That makes other gamblers think that they can win too if they keep playing. If you lose there is no pain or punishment. Your money is just gone. But you can win on the next spin!! Well actually you will almost surely lose. Many people simply cannot learn that lesson because of how good "winning" feels even if it occurs so rarely that on average you lose. Religions are play on this too. They play the game of Heads God Wins, Tales, You Lose.. If something good happens it is attributed to God. If something bad happens it is always your fault. Then they fool people to still feel that it is their fault if something bad happens, but God forgives them if they believe in him. The House wins again.
Lol sorry, SZ. Insofar as casinos go, I have two things to say. I agree the odds are stacked in favor of the casinos. I say that because if they were not the casinos would go out of business. I also agree that there are many misconceptions about God.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There is no proof in science, but you have far far less than that. Which makes science the superior discipline. You only have feelings and those are wrong far more often than they are right. Have you ever wondered how casinos keep in business? Anyone with even basic math skills can see that the house will always win. Casinos know how to use people confirmation bias against them. When someone wins bells and whistles go off. Everyone celebrates a person winning. That makes other gamblers think that they can win too if they keep playing. If you lose there is no pain or punishment. Your money is just gone. But you can win on the next spin!! Well actually you will almost surely lose. Many people simply cannot learn that lesson because of how good "winning" feels even if it occurs so rarely that on average you lose. Religions are play on this too. They play the game of Heads God Wins, Tales, You Lose.. If something good happens it is attributed to God. If something bad happens it is always your fault. Then they fool people to still feel that it is their fault if something bad happens, but God forgives them if they believe in him. The House wins again.
Here's what I think. If life for human beings were that important to God, He would not have told them they would die if they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Now I'm probably older than you are, but I do want to keep living and learning. And I know that I can die at any time. How does that fit in this? Because life is a gift from God, imo. He doesn't owe us life. Beyond that I really can't say much. Except I do read and try to understand the Bible. And yes, I believe God reached me when I asked. My real discussion centered on why someone believes in the theory of evolution as commonly taught.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There is no proof in science, but you have far far less than that. Which makes science the superior discipline. You only have feelings and those are wrong far more often than they are right. Have you ever wondered how casinos keep in business? Anyone with even basic math skills can see that the house will always win. Casinos know how to use people confirmation bias against them. When someone wins bells and whistles go off. Everyone celebrates a person winning. That makes other gamblers think that they can win too if they keep playing. If you lose there is no pain or punishment. Your money is just gone. But you can win on the next spin!! Well actually you will almost surely lose. Many people simply cannot learn that lesson because of how good "winning" feels even if it occurs so rarely that on average you lose. Religions are play on this too. They play the game of Heads God Wins, Tales, You Lose.. If something good happens it is attributed to God. If something bad happens it is always your fault. Then they fool people to still feel that it is their fault if something bad happens, but God forgives them if they believe in him. The House wins again.
Oh, and another thing in reference to gambling. I went to the store recently and one of the clerks asked me if I wanted to buy a lottery ticket. I told him that the Bible says we should not pray to the god of good luck. He seemed genuinely surprised and said he didn't know that. Nice young man.
 

Mark Charles Compton

Pineal Peruser
It all depends upon what a person may consider as proof, isn't that so? On the other hand, if you want to believe it, I have learned that for science, there is no proof. Maybe I'm wrong about this, so you or someone else can correct me if that is wrong.
Proofs are usually reserved to the science of mathematics, I was referring specifically to an equation that would encompass a Designer. Evidence is found through testing and experiment. There's a common theme among theologians that the Almighty is incomprehensible in nature and scope, this would imply it vain to seek such an equation or a method to prove it.

Science tends to aim to describe in the simplest way, the most probable translation of how we observe the natural world. The objectively agreed upon model may not be an absolute description of reality, but it is darn close and the best we have. To err is human; to forgive, divine.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Proofs are usually reserved to the science of mathematics, I was referring specifically to an equation that would encompass a Designer. Evidence is found through testing and experiment. There's a common theme among theologians that the Almighty is incomprehensible in nature and scope, this would imply it vain to seek such an equation or a method to prove it.

Science tends to aim to describe in the simplest way, the most probable translation of how we observe the natural world. The objectively agreed upon model may not be an absolute description of reality, but it is darn close and the best we have. To err is human; to forgive, divine.
I do not understand what you said. So because it becomes virtually philosophical, I guess we can leave it at that for now.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I do not understand what you said. So because it becomes virtually philosophical, I guess we can leave it at that for now.

The problem is that the words proof and evidence are in fact philosphy, so if you use them, then you have to do philosophy to understand how they work. If you don't understand that, you are just saying the words without in effect connecting them to how they work.
You can off course do that, but then some of us will point out that you don't know how the words work. That is all.
 

Mark Charles Compton

Pineal Peruser
I cannot agree.

Traditionally, proof is an argument or body of evidence that refute denial of a fact or truth.
The burden of proof is a philosophy.
A mathematical proof is an argument in words as to why a mathematical statement is true.

I prefer to reserve 'evidence' for the physical or tangible and 'proof' for verbal arguments (logical). They are synonymous. Much like the words primate, human, monkey, or ape. ;)
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
If there were no God there would be no life. God gave Adam and Eve a choice. If they chose to decide for themselves as if they were equal to their creator, which they did, they would not receive guidance from God as to what would be good or bad (evil). So God knew what constitutes evil. It is a manner of understanding.
1 John 3:8

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



Adam and Eve's Eyes Were Opened. The Wider you Open your Eyes the More Extreme the Religious Practice in Devil/Satan Worship.

Apart from a Few hundred/thousand Elect, every person on the Planet are Evil Children of the Satan/Devil. Some people are More Evil than others. There is a Elohim/God Ordained Earthly Elect Practising the Inverted Cross that are Ruling Over the Earth.


Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Official Trailer - Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman Movie HD
 

Elihoenai

Well-Known Member
Jehovah knows what is evil. He is God. Since He is God He knows what is evil. He gave Adam and Eve the ability to do only good but they refused. He does not have an evil side.but He knows what is evil. If He did not know what constitutes evil He would not be God.
Therefore, @YoursTrue, the God that you Believe in is Not Omni. Given that the God you Believe in cannot Be Evil, your God is Not Omni. Your God is Limited to what it can Be or Do. Can you see this?

What you see is Actually the Omni Elohim/God Manifesting Itself in a Limited way to you.

The Elohim/God that I Believe In is Omni Being All things That Exists.


Omnipotence

Omnipotence is the quality of having unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence only to the deity of their faith. In the monotheistic religious philosophy of Abrahamic religions, omnipotence is often listed as one of a deity's characteristics, along with omniscience, omnipresence, and omnibenevolence. The presence of all these properties in a single entity has given rise to considerable theological debate, prominently including the problem of evil, the question of why such a deity would permit the existence of evil. It is accepted in philosophy and science that omnipotence can never be effectively understood.

 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Lol sorry, SZ. Insofar as casinos go, I have two things to say. I agree the odds are stacked in favor of the casinos. I say that because if they were not the casinos would go out of business. I also agree that there are many misconceptions about God.
Too bad that you cannot see the similarities between the promises of casinos with the promises of religions, such as yours.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Here's what I think. If life for human beings were that important to God, He would not have told them they would die if they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Now I'm probably older than you are, but I do want to keep living and learning. And I know that I can die at any time. How does that fit in this? Because life is a gift from God, imo. He doesn't owe us life. Beyond that I really can't say much. Except I do read and try to understand the Bible. And yes, I believe God reached me when I asked. My real discussion centered on why someone believes in the theory of evolution as commonly taught.
You really need to quit calling your God a liar if you want others to take you seriously. If you could reason rationally in this matter you would see that the one that failed in the Adam and Eve myth was God. And one that is too much in fear from religious beliefs can very rarely understand their own religious books.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh, and another thing in reference to gambling. I went to the store recently and one of the clerks asked me if I wanted to buy a lottery ticket. I told him that the Bible says we should not pray to the god of good luck. He seemed genuinely surprised and said he didn't know that. Nice young man.
There is no "God of good luck", but gambling can be a very serious problem for those that cannot do math or reason rationally. It is wise for those people to avoid any and all forms of gambling. For me there is no thrill to it since I understand the odds and how that can lead to one having winning and losing streaks, but how no matter how much money one has that the casino will be the ultimate winner.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe in Biblical Christianity. I accept that other kinds occurred masquerading as the real thing.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That’s not my take-away from the verse you refer to…

To me, it says that if you do things half heartedly and doubt that you should do them at all, perhaps you should not do them?

It’s about living attentively and true to your faith but it’s not about “unbelief” in general being a sin, is it? That would be strange, I think.

Humbly,
Hermit
I believe basically it is saying whatever does not come from God is a sin. It isn't faith in nothing or something else; it is faith in God.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There is no "God of good luck", but gambling can be a very serious problem for those that cannot do math or reason rationally. It is wise for those people to avoid any and all forms of gambling. For me there is no thrill to it since I understand the odds and how that can lead to one having winning and losing streaks, but how no matter how much money one has that the casino will be the ultimate winner.
Um, it was an expression used to tell the Israelites they should not pray to some unseen person for good luck. I doubt one of the spirit persons that are against God (called demons) would be in that position, but -- anyway -- He told the Israelites not to pray for "good luck" to whatever god they thought they might be praying for. If I find more information about this, I'll let you know.

Isaiah 65:11 - "But you are among those forsaking Jehovah,
Those forgetting my holy mountain,
Those setting a table for the god of Good Luck,
And those filling up cups of mixed wine for the god of Destiny."
 
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