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That is because you are totally unaware of all of the sciences. That you do not believe that only tells us that you are scientifically illiterate.
You can learn if you try. Are you open to learning?
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe your version of honesty is your own opinion. For me truth has to be proven. I believe I do not get angry. I sometimes get frustrated with people who just continue to repeat false statements as though repeating them will make them true.
Subduction Zone
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Okay, what do you not understand when it comes to your faith? Do you not understand that one does not have to call God a liar to be a Christian?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it wouldn't matter. All things can be forgiven for a Christian. It just would not happen for someone led by the Spirit like me.
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In other words it does not matter if you call your own God a liar. That is an interesting position to take. You do not seem to understand that that is exactly what you are doing when you claim that the myths of Genesis are true. You are claiming that God is liar. That should cause you immense troubles. If God can lie by planting false evidence, which you seem to believe that he did, then why couldn't he lie about their being a resurrection of believers?
Muffled
Jesus in me
Evidently you didn't pay attention to post #839.
Subduction Zone
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Evidently you do not understand how you have done so.
One simple question, have you ever claimed that the Noah's Ark worldwide flood story actually happened?
ElishaElijah
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It’s man that has twisted the Scriptures and misrepresented them, taken figurative language as literal, literal as figurative to justify their own rebellion against God. It’s more like slander.
Then there are other people that are wise in their own eyes, twist the words of other people, falsely restate others positions and think they are wise in their own eyes.
As for me, I will be taught and led by the Holy Spirit of God, live by the Word of God. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If a person doesn’t or can’t hear God they can’t walk and live by faith.
A lot of people are godless, faithless, hopeless. Lost in sin and self deceived, those who reject the Truth, live a life of sin and rebellion against God, wise in their own eyes, argue against all sound judgement.
That’s my view of this.
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In other words you are happy to call your own God a liar. Anyone that claims some of the clear myths of the Bible to be true is doing that.
ElishaElijah
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When do you believe these things will be resolved? I believe there will be a resurrection of the dead for everyone, some to everlasting life, some to eternal punishment. That’s when everything will be revealed.
So God isn’t a liar like you continue to falsely say believers are in a sense saying but He is a supernaltural, Holy, God, who has made known His Ways and given us His Word which I trust as well as everything written in it.
You have used these words often, even with me. It makes me feel like you are patting yourself on the back and saying “Aren’t I so great with this statement?” Yet, like this application, it is so disjointed that it becomes meaningless IMV.
Subduction Zone
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They have been resolved. The Bible has been shown to not be the inerrant word of God. Jesus is almost two thousand years late in his return, especially if one reads the Bible at all literally.
You don't even have a proper way of testing the Bible and confirming it r refuting hit.
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Then it appears that you are deliberately misunderstanding them.
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ElishaElijah
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Sure I do…God speaks, I believe what He says, I do what He says, I receive the things He says I will, His blessings and a continued relationship with my Father in Heaven, His very presence in all my life as I wait for His return when I will be with Him forever. Oh how awesome this is!
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
interesting. disregard fact.
Subduction Zone
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How do you know God speaks? What reasonable test could refute your beliefs?
You appear to just be using circular reasoning like so many other theists. You do not have any reliable evidence.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I agree, and I believe that the Bible is riddled with contradictions and contains embellished and plagiarized stories about Jesus. I also believe that no one should ever derive their understanding of morality, love, or justice from the Bible either. In my opinion, it is inaccurate and misleading, and believing its stories about sinning against God, his wrath against "sinners," and going to hell for alleged sin can be detrimental to a person's mental health and well-being. It was true for me and many other former Christians I know. As I explained in another thread (see here), I'm quite relieved to be free of Christianity.
The following is what I wrote in other threads on similar topics relating to the stories about Jesus in the Bible.
In my opinion, the stories about Jesus are just that—stories. It's debatable whether these stories are based on definitive facts or not. In my opinion, they were either based on hearsay, embellished stories, or various myths copied and adapted from ancient pagan religions. I believe that many of the stories about him were embellished to make him appear as if he were a god, and that other stories about him were copied and adapted from Greek mythology and a few other ancient pagan religions to give him demigod attributes, such as a divine birth, performing supernatural miracles, walking on the water, miraculously healing the sick, raising the dead, and being resurrected from the dead. Do you know how you can tell a story to a group of people, and over time the initial story changes dramatically because a few people forget what was said, so they guess by making something up to fill in the blanks, or they add their own desired narratives to embellish the story? I believe this could be the reason why the stories of Jesus vastly spread from region to region, and that these stories about him were greatly embellished to make him appear to be godlike and also the son of the biblical God. Again, this is my opinion.
If you replace the name Jesus with Attis (the Phrygian-Greek god of vegetation), you'll have a strikingly familiar savior story similar to that of Jesus, except the Greek myths about Attis are dated 1250 BCE, which predates the Bible and Christianity (see here). In fact, you could replace the name Jesus with any of the other gods described in the following articles linked below and have more familiar stories that not only parallel the stories of his alleged crucifixion, death, and resurrection but also parallel other stories that have been written in the Bible about him. And, like the mythical stories about Attis, these other stories about Christ-like figures from Greek mythology and other pagan religions predate both the Bible and Christianity. I suggest learning more about Jesus in comparative mythology. You can start here: Jesus in comparative mythology. In my opinion, these other accounts of Christlike figures demonstrate that paganism had a significant influence on the stories about Jesus and that Christianity's beliefs are not unique. In other words, the savior story of Jesus isn't the first of its kind and, in my opinion, isn't any more believable than all the other savior stories that predate it. I know that Christians like to claim that the Bible was divinely inspired by God and that Christianity is the only true religion in the world, but I don't believe that is true based on the information provided in these articles and in other similar ones. Christianity, in my opinion, is a cheap imitation of other religions and isn't superior to other religions.
10 Christ-Like Figures that predate Jesus
The Truth About Mythological Figures Similar To Jesus
Other Gods That Rose From the Dead in Spring Before Jesus Christ
Based on the information I've read, if a religious leader named Yehoshua (also called Yeshua or Jesus) existed in biblical times, he was most likely just an ordinary man and popular religious teacher whose devoted followers embellished the stories about him, and more embellishment and folklore were later added to these stories to make him appear to be more than he actually was. I believe that it's probable that he was simply a well-liked religious teacher whose loyal followers spread false stories about him to make him appear godlike. I also think that it's likely that a few stories about him were copied and adapted from Greek mythology and other ancient pagan religions, which predate Christianity and the Bible. In my opinion, it's plagiarized pagan myths.
When I was a Christian, I thought I was strengthening my belief in God and the Bible by studying the Bible and Christian theology extensively, but all I did was ultimately study my way out of believing in God and the Bible. My studies inspired me to conduct further research within and outside of Christianity, which eventually led me to renounce my belief in God and faith in Jesus. Other circumstances contributed to my decision to renounce my belief in God and abandon Christianity, but I essentially studied my way out of believing in the Bible and God. I read and studied the Bible on a daily basis throughout the years I was a Christian. I extensively studied the Bible and Christian theology while training to be a street preacher and evangelism team leader, as well as while assisting my nephew in his extended theological studies to become an ordained minister. He was studying hard to earn a Master of Theological Studies (MTS) degree. A few weeks after I decided to renounce my faith, he called me to tell me that he had made the decision to renounce his faith after extensively studying the Bible and Christian theology with me. He studied his way out of believing in the Bible and God. He's now an agnostic, like I am.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Ironically, I've heard other Christians claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, but their doctrine and interpretation of the Bible differ from yours. I'm sure that all of these other Christians believe that they are saved, guided by the Holy Spirit, and are genuine followers of Jesus, just as you believe you are. But if I were to guess a wager, I'd say that you believe you are correct about your preferred beliefs as a Christian, and other Christians who disagree with you are mistaken about theirs. And this is in spite of the fact that you all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit. It appears to me that you or other Christians aren't following anything other than your own or someone else's preferences for scriptural interpretation and church doctrines. In fact, there are a smorgasbord of Christians who all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit, but they adamantly disagree and argue about what the Bible actually teaches. Oddly enough, there are Christians who claim that their interpretation of the Bible and church doctrines are solely correct while adamantly insisting that other Christians who uphold different church doctrines and scriptural interpretation are clearly wrong in their beliefs. In my opinion, it stands to reason that the Bible isn't clear enough for Christians to interpret it correctly, which is why I believe that Christianity is so vastly divided into a plethora of diverse sects made up of Anglicans, Catholics, Messianic Jews, Orthodox Christians (Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox), and a vast variety of Protestants: Baptists, Methodists, Nazarenes, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Mennonites, Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists, and many other Protestants attending churches with distinctive doctrines and biblical interpretations. In fact, the division among Christians is as old as Christianity itself (1 Corinthians 1:10–17).