It appears that you are being willingly blind to your error.
Well that is something you often say but when asked you have never proven. Lets test if what you say is true or not true and see who is telling the truth and who is blind and in error shall we?
I have been consistent. You made a gross error.
Be specific. Don't make random statements without proving what you say. I have asked you many times now to prove what you say. Show me why you believe what I have posted is in error. Post what I have said that you believe is in error and prove why from the scriptures why you believe what I have shared with you from the scriptures is in error. If you cannot do this all you are doing here is proving my point. You a simply making random accusations you cannot prove.
You tried to use that verse in a general defense of the Bible being literally true when it had nothing to do with the Bible.
Please be truthful I did no such thing. If you disagree please post the link to what you believe I was saying. Romans 3:4 says 4, "God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged." Lets discuss it. The scripture was posted as scripture support that our words do not supersede what Gods Word says and was the reason that I do not believe your words that are not scripture. I never posted the scripture as a defense of the bible being literally true in all things. Perhaps you misunderstood what was written to you. Once again if you disagree post a link if you cannot why make up stuff.
You went so far as to only quote part of the verse, which was the same as me quoting only part of a verse to get the Bible to say "There is no God". It was that bad of an error. Now that your error has been pointed out you you simply ignore it.
I do not recall only quoting part of this verse. If you believe I did post me a link so I can see we are talking about the same thing and everyone can read the
context you are most likely disregarding. Normally when I post Romans 3:4 it is after I say for me only Gods Words are true and we should believe and follow them (or something similar). That is the meaning of the scripture for those who believe Gods Words the scriptures are the only definition of what is true and what is not true which is why I post them in support of what I say to you (John 17:17). If you disagree show why you disagree? Don't make baseless accusations you are unable to prove.
But don't worry. I am patient. We can keep going over this until you do understand your mistake.
Well I am glad your patient, although it did not seem like it when you got all upset the other day. How about you make a start and prove to me how I made a mistake. I have been asking you this for sometime now and this is what you have been getting upset about in our earlier discussions and I am still here waiting for you to prove to me how you think I have made a mistake.
And please, this has nothing to do with the fictional judgement that is claimed. And you cannot bring that up until you deal with what will happen to you for claiming that God is a liar. You have just as much to worry about as any atheist does.
For your words to be true here you would need to first prove that the judgement is fictional. You haven't you have just made another baseless statement you are unable to prove. I never once claimed that Gods is a liar. That is what you are doing by not believing Gods Words (scripture). As posted earlier I have nothing to worry about because God is my judge not you as shown in Romans 2:1-12 and Matthew 7:1-5. As posted earlier only those who do not believe and follow what Gods Word have something to worry about according to John 3:36 because unbelief is sin in Gods eyes according to the scriptures and will keep all those who practice it out of Gods kingdom *John 3:36; Romans 14:23.
But let's get back to the passage that you do not understand. I am going to post a larger portion of it and interrupt it since it is beyond your comprehension. The Bible will be in black my interruptions in green:
Yes please. This should be interesting lets see if there is any truth in your words.
God’s Faithfulness
3 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God. Okay, so right away we can see that the topic is circumcision.
You need to consider the whole context in regards to Romans 3. I know this chapter very well and the topic of Romans 3:1-31 is
not about "circumcision", This only shows you do not understand what you are reading. Romans 3:1-31 is continuing on Roman 2:1-29 which is contrasting Jews with Gentiles and Paul showing that both Jews (the circumcision) have been committed the oracles of God to follow but both Jews (the circumcision) have all sinned before God and cannot be justified by the law because both Jew and gentile have all sinned and stand guilty before God of sin and death which is what the law is teaching (Romans 3:1-20). Your disregarding scripture context. Romans 3:1 is asking the question what value is there in being a Jew contrasting Jews with Gentiles. Romans 3 is not a topic about circumcision. Your interpretation of scripture here is in error.
3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? 4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written: How would one be 'unfaithful' as a Jew when it came to circumcision? Let me answer for you, they will not undergo the procedure. The fact that a few Jews may not have been circumcised would not make God decide to be unfaithful to the Jews. Even if all of the Jews did not cut off the tips of their pee pees God would still have been faithful to the Jews was Paul's claim. That had nothing to do with the Bible being true.
According to the scriptures we become unfaithful by not believing and obeying what Gods Word says. The context once again from Romans 2:1:29 through to Romans 3:1-31 is how we cannot claim to teach God's Word by not doing what Gods Word says. Believing and obeying Gods Word is how we are made righteous but if we have all sinned how can we be saved by obeying Gods law? We cannot because we all stand guilty (Jew and Gentile) before God of breaking the law for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). It goes on to say that we can only be made righteous (justified from our sins) and receive Gods' forgiveness of sins by faith in Christs sacrifice for our sins (Romans 3:24-31). The topic is not about circumcision. It is about how both Jews (the circumcision) and Gentiles are all sinners in Gods eyes and Gods salvation from sin can only be found in Christs sacrifice for our sins through faith. When Romans 3:3-4 says 3, "
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4,
God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged." Here the scriptures are contrasting unbelief (not believing God) with faith believing and obeying God in Romans 3:3 and in Romans 3:4 it is saying that Gods Words (the scriptures) are the only test of what is true and what is not true and we are to believe and obey them. Once again your interpretation of the scriptures are in error because you disregard the scripture context.
“So that you may be proved right when you speakand prevail when you judge.”[
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It appears here that following God's laws was to be for the benefit of the Jews so that they would not be hypocrites when they made claims about God.
According to the scriptures judgement is not only according to the standard of obedience to Gods 10 commandments but also to our knowledge of Gods Word so they are both linked. Gods law was to give Gods people the knowledge of good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) *see Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172. According to Jesus in John 12:47-48 the words of God we choose to accept or reject will also be our judge come judgement day because even though the law shows us that we are all sinners before God, the Words of God also show us the way to salvation and Gods forgiveness through His great love, mercy and grace and forgiveness of our sins through faith in Christs sacrifice for our sins and which is freely given to all those who choose to believe and obey what Gods Word says. This is what the rest of Romans 3:4 us saying in regards to judgement.
5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) 6 Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” 8 Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just! And we come to the end of it. Even if being unfaithful towards God ends up supporting him it is still not justified. In other words, that verse actually condemns Christian apologists. Lying for God would be an example of being unfaithful, but in a way that supposedly helps God. Even if you are lying for Jesus you can still get in trouble. The Jews that avoided circumcision were still in the wrong even if it helped God.
It would help you if you read both Romans 2:1-29 and Romans 3:1-31. You will see that your interpretation of Romans 3 is in error and what is being shared with you in this post with is true.
So how do you get that the Bible is literally true from that passage?
Perhaps you have a misunderstanding. I have never used Romans 3:4 to claim that the bible is literally true in all passages of scripture. I have only used Romans 3:4 to show according to the scriptures, Gods Words are the standard of what truth is (see John 17:17) and that I do not believe your words when tested against scripture. This post also showing evidence as to why I do not believe you and why I think your interpretation of the scriptures are in error. This is why I provide scripture to help you to see why you are in error so you can receive Gods correction and be blessed. According to the scriptures, ignoring Gods Word does not make it disappear. As posted earlier according to Jesus, the words of God we choose to accept or reject will become our judge come judgement day according to John 12:47-48. My hope is that you can see the truth of Gods Word and be blessed.
Take Care.