California strong arm

[Stanyon]

Reporters on CNN and MSNBC talked about the "beautiful brown wall" referring to Hispanic voters in Florida that were supposed to keep Trump out of office during the 2016 election. I wonder what would have happened if a news organization supporting Trump claimed a beautiful White wall would get him elected?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope you got caught doing a dirty, deal with it.

Please, don't lie. Other people won't fall for such BS. You were set up and you were hoisted by your own petard since you were too lazy to go.back and check.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Reporters on CNN and MSNBC talked about the "beautiful brown wall" referring to Hispanic voters in Florida that were supposed to keep Trump out of office during the 2016 election. I wonder what would have happened if a news organization supporting Trump claimed a beautiful White wall would get him elected?

Do you have a source for that claim?

EDIT: Found it. Your claim was incorrect. A commentator used that phrase, a Latina Republican strategist commentator, not a reporter, said it:

 

[Stanyon]

Do you have a source for that claim?

EDIT: Found it. Your claim was incorrect. A commentator used that phrase, a Latina Republican strategist commentator, not a reporter, said it:

The only thing that was incorrect was I said reporter, you said commentator, fair enough but it seems like splitting hairs for the sake of it.
Regardless the fact it was said didn't change nor the fact that had it been a White republican or anyone else had claimed a "beautiful white wall" to refer to voters voting Trump in I imagine that person would not have a job and be vilified for it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The only thing that was incorrect was I said reporter, you said commentator, fair enough but it seems like splitting hairs for the sake of it.
Regardless the fact it was said didn't change nor the fact that had it been a White republican or anyone else had claimed a "beautiful white wall" to refer to voters voting Trump in I imagine that person would not have a job and be vilified for it.

That is hardly splitting hairs. Reporters are almost always employees. Commentators, such as Ms. Navaro for example, are often independent contractors. She appears on several independent networks. In her case if she says something it is definitely not CNN saying something.

 

[Shad]

That can't happens without an amendment as the Constitution allows each state to figure out howll they'll approach the EC.

The clause isn't unlimited. If a state sold their EC votes to the highest bidder do you think it would stand any legal challenge?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The clause isn't unlimited. If a state sold their EC votes to the highest bidder do you think it would stand any legal challenge?

I am sure that would be met with massive legal challenge. There probably are laws in place already that ban selling such votes. But the NPVI does not appear to do that it appears to be quite within reason of Article II Section 1 clause 2 of the Constitution:

Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The clause isn't unlimited. If a state sold their EC votes to the highest bidder do you think it would stand any legal challenge?

Doesnt matter. An EC change in all 50 states can't happen without an amendment.

 

[Poisonshady313]

My challenge isn't just for Enoch. If anyone at all would like to support the claim that NY and CA would control every election in a popular vote, especially in light of the information I provided, I'd like to hear it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Doesnt matter. An EC change in all 50 states can't happen without an amendment.

Have you studied the NPVI? I was against it when I first heard of it, but it appears to be a legal way of making elections by popular vote and it gets around the need of an amendment of the constitution. It could fail if after ratification by a majority of states by number of electoral college votes enough states changed their minds. or if population shifts caused a change in the electoral votes, but conceivably by the next election we could have a popular vote win be guaranteed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Have you studied the NPVI? I was against it when I first heard of it, but it appears to be a legal way of making elections by popular vote and it gets around the need of an amendment of the constitution. It could fail if after ratification by a majority of states by number of electoral college votes enough states changed their minds. or if population shifts caused a change in the electoral votes, but conceivably by the next election we could have a popular vote win be guaranteed.

All of that is basically a series of ifs and possibilities. It's not going to happen without an amendment. Too many states wont budge on it either because it is given to them by the Constitution, or because the EC benefits their party. I've hated the EC for most of my life. It's not going anywhere without a maddivr shift in culture and politics and a Constitutional amendment. Elections that have changed in function since their inception without adjusting how votes are counted is very problematic, but few it seems relize its one of the last remaining original ways we do elections that remain, and its one of the last things you want to hang onto as everything else is being changed. Unfortunately, being stupidly stubborn and stuck on a facade of tradition is becoming an American tradition.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All of that is basically a series of ifs and possibilities. It's not going to happen without an amendment. Too many states wont budge on it either because it is given to them by the Constitution, or because the EC benefits their party. I've hated the EC for most of my life. It's not going anywhere without a maddivr shift in culture and politics and a Constitutional amendment. Elections that have changed in function since their inception without adjusting how votes are counted is very problematic, but few it seems relize its one of the last remaining original ways we do elections that remain, and its one of the last things you want to hang onto as everything else is being changed. Unfortunately, being stupidly stubborn and stuck on a facade of tradition is becoming an American tradition.

It is a lot closer to happening than you may realize. It has already passed in enough states to make it equal to 189 electoral votes and it is pending in enough states to make it a reality:

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

Take a look at the graphic on the right in the link. The little bar with green is how many have passed. The yellow is pending. The red line that goes through the yellow is the necessary number to make it go into effect.

What will happen is that states have agreed between themselves to assign their electoral voters to whomever wins the national popular vote if enough states enact the NPVIC. States can decide how to assign their electoral votes and their is nothing that says they cannot do so based upon the popular vote total.

The only down side is that if this passes I will have to suffer through tons of presidential election ads. The last election there were almost none in my state since it is solidly blue. Neither Hillary nor Trump wasted their campaign ads here.

 

[Enoch07]

Please, don't lie. Other people won't fall for such BS. You were set up and you were hoisted by your own petard since you were too lazy to go.back and check.

Nope you tried to pull a fast one and got caught. Grow up and accept responsibility for your actions.

 

[Enoch07]

No, I set you up.

Thanks for admitting you were trolling.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for admitting you were trolling.

That is not trolling. In fact if anything you were trolling since you refused to address your error. In a proper debate one deals with one's errors. You would not. A trap was set. You got caught by it. If I was trolling I would never have explained your error to you.

 

[Enoch07]

That is not trolling.

It is, have a good day.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is, have a good day.

No, your post is an example of trolling. A baldfaced denial of the obvious without any justification.

But thank you. And you have a nice day too.

 

[Enoch07]

No, your post is an example of trolling.

It's my thread. I established the topic. Go back and read post #1. You misrepresenting post in order to troll and even admitted to it. Good day.

 

[Poisonshady313]

It's my thread. I established the topic. Go back and read post #1. You misrepresenting post in order to troll and even admitted to it. Good day.

Speaking of your thread, you made a claim in it. 3 times. I refuted your claim twice, and you still have yet to address it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's my thread. I established the topic. Go back and read post #1. You misrepresenting post in order to troll and even admitted to it. Good day.

I understand how threads work. You yourself were discussing the NPVIC. But nice try.