Subduction Zone
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He is all yours, my mission is done here.
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California strong arm
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You still haven't sourced or cited your data.
Wrong again.
California lawmakers renew bid to get presidential candidates' tax returns
Is not about the National Popular Vote Initiative.
Doubling down on the lies doesn't make then true all the sudden.
Subduction Zone
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I never lied. You keep forgetting that you were confused.
Poisonshady313
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Incorrect. Election results are from the New York Times, and total number of votes are from Business Insider. Ive already said this.
What more are you waiting for?
Poisonshady313
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Even if you use other sources that have the total popular vote somewhere between 133 million and 140 million, it doesn't matter. My point still stands. If I round Clinton votes from the three states up to 17 million, and round the total popular vote down to 133 million, it's still 12.8%, which is quite a way away from 19.3%
Actual citations and data.
All I've heard is conjecture so far.
Come at me with cited data and we will talk.
You just did. And I showed it in post # 204.
You keep compounding the same mistakes over and over hoping it sticks. Reality doesn't work that way sorry.
Subduction Zone
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No, you keep forgetting that your dishonest quote started all of this. I never lied. You misunderstood and I did not correct your error. Instead I used your error against you. Tell me, be precise, how did I lie?
Poisonshady313
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I've given you my sources, twice.
Can you not google "new york times election 2016 results", add the number of Clinton votes from California, New York and Illinois, divide them by the total national popular vote, and multiply by 100?
You clearly have some basic grasp on how the internet works, otherwise we wouldn't be chatting with each other.
Do you need me to post links and re-write the numbers contained in those links?
Do you need me to chew your food for you too?
You made an unsubstantiated claim. Three times. No data, no attempt to justify or explain it... the burden is actually on you to support your claim.
As a favor to you, I gave you some info to work with. And my sources. Twice.
You've given me nothing.
If you're going to give up before you even get started, that's fine. Let the record reflect that you make unsubstantiated claims and have neither the ability nor the will to substantiate them.
Misrepresentation is a form of lying.
misrepresentation. A misrepresentation is when you misrepresent, or lie about, something that happened. ... A misrepresentation is a misstatement of the facts. It's more than casting a different light on something; it's deceptive and untrue.
In post # 201 you misrepresent the California bill to add tax return requirement to be a candidate to be on the California ballot, as the NPVI. As I showed in post # 204.
The NPVI is a completely separate issue that has nothing to do with California adding a tax return requirement bill.
Nope I haven't seen a single link to click, not even once.
I'm not doing the work for you. If you have an argument it's your job to cite it and provide the data.
Links is sufficient. You can add excerpts or quotes from the link the emphasize your point more concisely. I will provide an example from the question below.
Nope, I am repeating the reason the Electoral College was put in place for. So that one or two areas with massive populations didn't have sole control over the government. Nothing unsubstanitated about it.
The Reason for the Electoral College - FactCheck.org
From the article:
Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?
A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.
That's what you have given me. So why expect something in return?
Is it not good enough I have had to teach you how to properly cite information and sources on a debate forum?
Well do you need to be taught that as well?
Subduction Zone
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Then by your standards you lied in your original quote. I tried to correct you countless times and you kept denying your error so I took you at your word. If that is "misrepresenting" then that is your fault. You seem to have forgotten that you and I discussed the NPVCI together a bit before you made your incorrect quote. You need to go way back to when I first entered this thread and you were discussing the NPVIC, not just to the top of this page.. Do your homework for once.
Which quote. Be precise.
Poisonshady313
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Your claim that you made, unsubstantiated three times, was that NY and CA would overwhelm the popular vote. I asked you how that might be possible. And you proceeded to just restate that NY and CA would overwhelm the popular vote. You even posted a cartoon that suggests that NY and CA would overwhelm the popular vote.
No numbers, no understanding of how the election works... just a repetition of something I asked you to support. With no support.
It is I who shouldn't have to do any work for you. Yet I have gone above and beyond the call of duty, and you're moaning about a lack of links to numbers you could EASILY find based on what I've given you. And you have still given me nothing.
Subduction Zone
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I have no need to be precise. When you first made your error I immediately pointed it out to you. It is time for you to do your homework for once. Or you could own up to your error and I will do it for you.
Not my job to refute my own argument. If you can refute it with data do so. But so far you haven't done anything but spouted opinion with no data to back it up.
Then your unsubstianted claim that I lied fails. Whereas I have shown your blatant lie with evidence. Good day sir.
Poisonshady313
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You don't have an argument. You have a claim. That you have not substantiated.
Do your part. Show some effort. Give me a reason to believe you when you say "NY and CA would overwhelm the popular vote".
Once you've done that, I'll spoonfeed you every ounce of my refutation. I promise.
But you made the claim. Unsubstantiated. Three times.
You have to go first.
Subduction Zone
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Nope. Anyone can read this thread. It is still there. I will do your homework for you, but not without an admission. You never showed that I lied because you were confused due to your own arrogance. You can not blame others for your faults. I will give you the background. The post you misquoted with an explanation so that you can understand it better. Your quote of me. And then my immediate correction.
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