California strong arm

[Subduction Zone]

You don't have an argument. You have a claim. That you have not substantiated.

Do your part. Show some effort. Give me a reason to believe you when you say "NY and CA would overwhelm the popular vote".

Once you've done that, I'll spoonfeed you every ounce of my refutation. I promise.

But you made the claim. Unsubstantiated. Three times.

You have to go first.

I challenged him on that as well before we got into our personal detour. I have noticed that he expects others to do his work for him.

 

[Enoch07]

You have a claim.

I haven't made a claim.

I stated a fact. That being the reason for the Electoral College. I don't have to prove it beyond listing the factual reason it was instated. Which I already have.

You have yet to refute it with anything other than conjecture. And telling me to go look up the info myself. Listing the info for your refutation is your job, not mine.

Toodles

 

[Enoch07]

I will do your homework for you, but not without an admission.

The post you misquoted with an explanation so that you can understand it better. Your quote of me. And then my immediate correction.

That's not precise. That is indeed the antithesis of precise and what is called vague.

Try again.

 

[Enoch07]

I challenged him on that as well before we got into our personal detour. I have noticed that he expects others to do his work for him.

It's your job to provide citations for your argument. Not mine.

 

[Poisonshady313]

I haven't made a claim.

I stated a fact. That being the reason for the Electoral College. I don't have to prove it beyond listing the factual reason it was instated. Which I already have.

If we took away the electoral college, and relied solely on the popular vote. CA and NY would have the power to elect every President.

The electoral college prevents us from being ruled by just these 2 states alone.

These are claims you made.

I asked you a very simple question: how?

You have failed to attempt to answer that question.

You have yet to refute it with anything other than conjecture. And telling me to go look up the info myself. Listing the info for your refutation is your job, not mine.

Toodles

You haven't given me anything to refute. You've made a claim that you still haven't substantiated.

Just saying "it's a reason given for the EC" does not make it beyond scrutiny. Just because you've accepted it doesn't mean I must. You make a claim, you substantiate it. Or admit that it is an unsubstantiated claim.

It is NOT on me to provide a detailed refutation until you provide something for me to refute.

 

[Enoch07]

It is NOT on me to provide a detailed refutation

Yes it is

 

[Poisonshady313]

Yes it is

No, it's not. Not yet, anyway.

I asked my question first. I asked "how?" You have not even started to attempt to provide an answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's not precise. That is indeed the antithesis of precise and what is called vague.

Try again.

Wrong again, it would be a very detailed explanation of where and how you went wrong. But you know that you screwed up, you just can't get yourself to admit it.

 

[Poisonshady313]

If we took away the electoral college, and relied solely on the popular vote. CA and NY would have the power to elect every President.

The electoral college prevents us from being ruled by just these 2 states alone.

How?

 

[Enoch07]

it would be a very detailed explanation of where and how you went wrong.

Then prove it, or drop it one. Your vague ramblings, bluffs, and lies are old and boring.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's your job to provide citations for your argument. Not mine.

Wrong again. You don't seem to understand how this works. You made a claim, you can call it what you like, but once you do that you take on a burden of proof. The same rule applies to us, but we have done our homework.

 

[Enoch07]

How?

Refer to the fact check on post #213.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then prove it, or drop it one. Your vague ramblings, bluffs, and lies are old and boring.

As soon as you own up to your error. Or you could do your own homework for once.

And those are your sins not mine. Let's watch the personal attacks.

 

[Enoch07]

As soon as you own up to your error.

I haven't made any. Otherwise you'd be able to cite them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I haven't made any. Otherwise you'd be able to cite them.

I can cite them. I offered to do so.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Refer to the fact check on post #213.

From the link you provided: "Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population..."

Do you believe that Democrat voters from those two states are greater than 50% of all US voters?

 

[Enoch07]

Let's watch the personal attacks.

And it's not a personal attack. Its stating facts. Facts that I have cited and shown to that you are guilty of misrepresenting. You even admitted to misrepresenting intentionally. Stating a fact about a person doing shady things isn't a personal attack. It's simply stating a fact.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And it's not a personal attack. Its stating facts. Facts that I have cited and shown to that you are guilty of misrepresenting. You even admitted to misrepresenting intentionally. Stating a fact about a person doing shady things isn't a personal attack. It's simply stating a fact.

No, your terribly incorrect opinions are not facts. Now if you are having a hard time understanding a post simply ask nicely. And the offer still stands. I do not bluff. Own up to your error, the one that got you so angry when you were caught in it, and I will lay it out for you.

 

[Enoch07]

From the link you provided: "Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population..."

Do you believe that Democrat voters from those two states are greater than 50% of all US voters?

Potentially, considering California has the highest population of any state, at 38+million. Should more decide to vote it alone could be 50% or more of the popular vote. Considering 65 million voted for Hillary in the popular vote in 2016. Adding New York only increase that number.

 

[Enoch07]

No, your terribly incorrect opinions are not facts.

I have evidence to the contrary. It has Ben cited.

I do not bluff.

Sure you don't, you instead misrepresent and.....

A trap was set.

Nope nothing but arguments in good faith eh?



How embarassing.