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Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

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Enoch07 said:
Why ask a rhetorical question?
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It's not rhetorical. It's practical. I'm trying to get you to focus your argument to address the topic at hand.

If your claim is that NY and CA would determine the election, that means that one party's votes in both states would exceed 50% of the total popular vote.

If you're not talking about the whole popular vote, I don't know why you're talking to me at all because it doesn't go to serve the claim that started all of this.
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Poisonshady313 said:
If you're not talking about the whole popular vote, I don't know why you're talking to me at all because it doesn't go to serve the claim that started all of this.
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I don't know you wanted to shoot the p00p so we shooting the p00p.:shrug:

Thanks for getting my post count up though.;)
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

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Enoch07 said:
I don't know you wanted to shoot the p00p so we shooting the p00p.:shrug:

Thanks for getting my post count up though.;)
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I was trying to get you to justify your claim that NY and CA would determine the outcome of every election if we did away with the electoral college. And so far you're not doing a very good job of it.
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
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Poisonshady313 said:
I was trying to get you to justify your claim that NY and CA would determine the outcome of every election if we did away with the electoral college. And so far you're not doing a very good job of it.
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Opinions are just like b-holes. Everyone has them and they usually stink.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Subduction Zone said:
States can decide how to assign their electoral votes and their is nothing that says they cannot do so based upon the popular vote total.
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Subduction Zone said:
It is a lot closer to happening than you may realize. It has already passed in enough states to make it equal to 189 electoral votes and it is pending in enough states to make it a reality:

National Popular Vote Interstate Compact - Wikipedia

Take a look at the graphic on the right in the link. The little bar with green is how many have passed. The yellow is pending. The red line that goes through the yellow is the necessary number to make it go into effect.

What will happen is that states have agreed between themselves to assign their electoral voters to whomever wins the national popular vote if enough states enact the NPVIC. States can decide how to assign their electoral votes and their is nothing that says they cannot do so based upon the popular vote total.

The only down side is that if this passes I will have to suffer through tons of presidential election ads. The last election there were almost none in my state since it is solidly blue. Neither Hillary nor Trump wasted their campaign ads here.
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I would be surprised if Texas does it willingly. Equally surprised if Indiana does it willingly. Solid blue are, I doubt solid red does. And the first time it decides an election, its going to the Supreme Court. I feel confident enough to say its not a "might go."
 
Poisonshady313

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Presidential Election Results: Donald J. Trump Wins

California Clinton votes: 8,753,788
New York Clinton votes: 4,556,124
Illinois Clinton votes: 3,090,729

Total US Trump votes: 62,985,106 votes (45.9%)
Total US Clinton votes: 65,853,625 votes (48.0%)

Trump + Clinton = 128,838,731
45.9% + 48% = 93.9%
128,838,731 = 93.9% of the total US popular vote
Total US popular vote: 137,208,446

CA+NY+IL = 16,400,641
Clinton votes from CA, NY, and IL as a percentage of the total US popular vote: 12%

Electoral votes, from the same source,

CA = 55
NY = 29
IL = 20

CA + NY + IL = 104
Total electoral votes = 538

CA + NY + IL as a percentage of the total electoral vote: 19.3%

So far, nothing in this post is opinion. It's all fact according to a linked source.

12% certainly isn't large enough to determine the election. Apparently, neither is 19.3% otherwise you wouldn't be claiming the EC is a safeguard against that sort of thing.

A quick Google search of each state's population in 2016:
CA: 39.21 million
NY: 19.64 million
IL: 12.83 million

Obviously, the whole population of any state can't vote. Between minors, dead people, prisoners, non-citizens, etc... cheating might bump them up a couple of million (as it is, you seem pretty convinced it already has), but it's very unlikely that California would get away with artificially raising it's numbers by 30 million.

So my question to you is, if we did away with the electoral college, how exactly would voter turnout across the whole country change in a way that would enable CA and NY to have the power you insist they would have?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Shadow Wolf said:
I would be surprised if Texas does it willingly. Equally surprised if Indiana does it willingly. Solid blue are, I doubt solid red does. And the first time it decides an election, its going to the Supreme Court. I feel confident enough to say its not a "might go."
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The beauty of the plan it does not matter if certain states abstain. They would still have EC votes for whatever person they chose, but if it was the majority loser their votes would be swamped by that that signed the compact.

Would you like to go over the details?

One thing that would be ended would be the sort of politics we had in the last election where most of the campaigning was done in just a few swing vote states.
 
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