Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
Can a gay person be a "good" Christian?
No.
....but let me explain.
Technically, no human is "good" inasmuch as they are not yet perfect. God is perfect -and so is called good. Even Christ said...
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
But.... anyone can become more and more good, and become obedient to God and Christ in any point of the letter and spirit of the law -thereby becoming better Christians.
However, it is extremely unlikely -perhaps impossible -that any human will be completely without sin during this life.
From here, it is a matter of how one defines "gay" -and how one who is thereby "gay" chooses to act.
The commandment concerning adultery includes not having sex before or outside of "marriage" -which is actually a man and a woman becoming one flesh and remaining together to the exclusion of all others while both are alive.
It is important to understand that the law applies to the creation as intended. For example.... how can an intersex person NOT break the law -as they are of mixed sexuality?
The law should still be kept -but it has to be applied to each specific case -which can include other things which make up sexual identity. One must be willing to obey the law, even if their present state makes it challenging. Is the individual seeking to obey the law in all other points? If one is not actually concerned with keeping the law -there is little point in considering the particulars until they are.
In the case of "homosexuality" -strictly in the sense of same sex sexual acts -they are against the law -and therefore sin -and not "good" -as are the thoughts and decisions which precede them.
However -urges and tendencies aren't actually sin -they are by nature. They are not always something one can choose to have or not have -but we are to overcome our nature by decision. We are to master it and rule our own minds and bodies.
Again -the law applies to the intended state of distinct males and females -which means that the law considers it possible that distinct males and females can engage in homosexual behavior, and that it is against the law to do so.
From a standpoint of being "born that way" -men and women are generally born sexual -and express sexuality in just about any and every way, and even make up new ways all the time -but are to limit the consideration and expression thereof to obedience to the law. Therefore, just because one has a homosexual thought, urge or attraction -and were born able to do so -is not, in itself, an excuse for the law.
We are to "orient" our own selves sexually to obey the law regardless of any other factor which may orient our sexuality -but orientation and identity are two different things.
It may be possible that gender distinctness can be mixed within the actual construction of the mind as it is with sexual organs -but we are only beginning to study such things in detail.
The only concession which might be made under the law would be if one were actually, physiologically, "intersex" in a way which was not readily apparent -but because it would not be readily apparent, it would also be easy to assume such were true (or false) without knowing it to be so. Even so -one would still be responsible to keep the law as it could be applied.
From here it becomes a very complex issue -and really requires an individual to be very honest with themselves and God, to consider and study the matter -and honestly apply the law to their own situation.
No.
....but let me explain.
Technically, no human is "good" inasmuch as they are not yet perfect. God is perfect -and so is called good. Even Christ said...
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
But.... anyone can become more and more good, and become obedient to God and Christ in any point of the letter and spirit of the law -thereby becoming better Christians.
However, it is extremely unlikely -perhaps impossible -that any human will be completely without sin during this life.
From here, it is a matter of how one defines "gay" -and how one who is thereby "gay" chooses to act.
The commandment concerning adultery includes not having sex before or outside of "marriage" -which is actually a man and a woman becoming one flesh and remaining together to the exclusion of all others while both are alive.
It is important to understand that the law applies to the creation as intended. For example.... how can an intersex person NOT break the law -as they are of mixed sexuality?
The law should still be kept -but it has to be applied to each specific case -which can include other things which make up sexual identity. One must be willing to obey the law, even if their present state makes it challenging. Is the individual seeking to obey the law in all other points? If one is not actually concerned with keeping the law -there is little point in considering the particulars until they are.
In the case of "homosexuality" -strictly in the sense of same sex sexual acts -they are against the law -and therefore sin -and not "good" -as are the thoughts and decisions which precede them.
However -urges and tendencies aren't actually sin -they are by nature. They are not always something one can choose to have or not have -but we are to overcome our nature by decision. We are to master it and rule our own minds and bodies.
Again -the law applies to the intended state of distinct males and females -which means that the law considers it possible that distinct males and females can engage in homosexual behavior, and that it is against the law to do so.
From a standpoint of being "born that way" -men and women are generally born sexual -and express sexuality in just about any and every way, and even make up new ways all the time -but are to limit the consideration and expression thereof to obedience to the law. Therefore, just because one has a homosexual thought, urge or attraction -and were born able to do so -is not, in itself, an excuse for the law.
We are to "orient" our own selves sexually to obey the law regardless of any other factor which may orient our sexuality -but orientation and identity are two different things.
It may be possible that gender distinctness can be mixed within the actual construction of the mind as it is with sexual organs -but we are only beginning to study such things in detail.
The only concession which might be made under the law would be if one were actually, physiologically, "intersex" in a way which was not readily apparent -but because it would not be readily apparent, it would also be easy to assume such were true (or false) without knowing it to be so. Even so -one would still be responsible to keep the law as it could be applied.
From here it becomes a very complex issue -and really requires an individual to be very honest with themselves and God, to consider and study the matter -and honestly apply the law to their own situation.
No, I don't think that LGBTQ people were made to be celibate by God. That's just a cruel idea. The Church's teachings on that subject need to be revised. In fact, the Catholic Church's sexual teachings as a whole are pretty much impossible for 99% of all people to fully live up to and just creates endless cycles of guilt tripping (which itself can turn into a dirty little fetish, haha.). If you're an asexual, you're gold.