Can a human be more compassionate and merciful than God (in your opinion)

[Spiderman]

Evil spirit doesn't say fast and say prayers and don't sleep around with everybody and don't drink wine....

Your statement is like infidels' statements
They used to say our prophet is insane or poet or a magician and ....

But they couldn't defeat his claim that has invited human being to bring just 3 verses like the holy quran.

Pretexts never end. U can say right now that maybe u r in a dream of a person in another world but how much this possibility is rational???

An evil spirit could tell people to pray and do good deeds to convince people it is a good spirit and deceive them.

A lot of people could write something like the koran. I have read the Koran. It is incoherent and poorly written. It is hard to make sense of what is being said.

The Catechism of the Catholic church is much better written and makes a lot more sense. If I was to go with a text, I'd say that appears most inspired by God.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

An evil spirit could tell people to pray and do good deeds to convince people it is a good spirit and deceive them.

So many people dismiss a point like the above, but would turn right around and tell you the devil, or other evil entities possess this very ability.

My belief on the reason it is ignored is the "that would never happen to me" mentality that most people have. Anyone serious about their faith would probably adamantly proclaim that THEY could tell the difference. While at the same time would say that there are plenty of others who couldn't tell the difference, and would be deceived.

If I am being frank, many are doing a fantastic job deceiving themselves already - no evil spirits required.

 

[Spiderman]

So many people dismiss a point like the above, but would turn right around and tell you the devil, or other evil entities possess this very ability.

My belief on the reason it is ignored is the "that would never happen to me" mentality that most people have. Anyone serious about their faith would probably adamantly proclaim that THEY could tell the difference. While at the same time would say that there are plenty of others who couldn't tell the difference, and would be deceived.

If I am being frank, many are doing a fantastic job deceiving themselves already - no evil spirits required.

Agreed!

 

[whirlingmerc]

One atheist gave one answer in terms of his life
Didn't sound too terribly compassionate

He saw his atheism more as a reason not to be compassionate and tried to act it out by trying to kill his father.
He did later become a christian

 

[bobhikes]

Did you note that in many of my examples I didn't dwell on physical pain? Noting the impending loss of loved ones and understanding that you may be lost to them as "suffering" as well. And when one contracts a virus they didn't even know was inbound... what, in your estimation, is the "choice" they made to suffer at the hands of that virus? Can you answer for that one? I don't think you can.

Should we stop looking for a cure or prevention method for cancer? All those little tykes with leukemia... they probably should have made better CHOICES... right?

I see where you're coming from with your own point - but it isn't universally applicable. It's asinine to try and paint everything with such a broad stroke. Create too big a canvas, and people will be able to shoot holes through it without even aiming.

In your opinion. In my opinion if I was God this life is just a proving ground if you are successful and want the afterlife you move on. If you are not successful you can chose to try again or sleep forever. It is far better than any current God offers.

Virus's, Earthquakes, Birth defects exist in today's world with whatever God you worship. They force you to make choices. I like the fact the they exist. I as a God would like to see people overcome challenges. It would be inspiring to me. It is inspiring to me and most people in life today. Those that wine and cry about how terrible their life, about how life isn't fair, they would annoy me as they annoy me and others today.

I am who I am. That's all that I can ever be.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Well... there is a temporary holding place called Hell ... and then death and hell after judgement is thrown into the Lake of Fire and the smoke of their torment goes up into the ages of the ages... so ... yes there are two places

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So, if I was omnipotent (the quality of having unlimited power) I would heal people of mental and physical illnesses. I would fill with joy and euphoria every sad, lonely, depressed, and miserable person. I would heal all infirmities and mental illness. I would give pedophiles and sexual deviants a healthy sexuality so that they don't feel inclined to commit acts that harm themselves or others. I would heal all people of drug, sexual, or other addictions

I would enlighten all people to know the truth. I would speak clear messages to people that seek me so that they could write down word-for-word my instructions (So there would be no confusion). I would elect world leaders who were the most wise and compassionate people on earth, and I would guide their every decision so that they knew what was best for the people.

Would we have a better world if that was done?

I would let no one be tortured for all eternity in hell. I find that people who do evil are often suffering a lot. No one wakes up in the morning and says "I'm feeling so good today, I want to go kill a bunch of people" . Consequently, I feel compassion for such people already and dread the idea of them suffering forever. Either heal them, transform them, or put them out of their misery.

I'm reading a book by Allan Kardec "The Spirit's book". It's a great read if you haven't read it. He interacts with spirits and they answer all his questions about spirits. They claim that the Spirit existed before it was incarnated and that this body is just one temporary outfit. They tell him that every spirit will be purified and made perfect eventually, but for some it will take many thousands of years and many lifetimes.

I have to agree that this belief is far more just, compassionate, merciful, and rational than the belief that people will be tortured forever and ever because of what they did or believed in this brief life (which is one-second compared to eternity....why punish someone eternally because of what they did with one-second, especially when you consider that they were blind, confused, unenlightened, and naturally inclined to sin).

Please answer the poll if you could. Please be honest about it. I'm asking what is the most compassionate approach. You might firmly believe that eternal torture is what is in store for unbelievers, but do you truly find that to be the most compassionate approach?

I don't like seeing people suffering and I know that is part of life. My hang up is I don't want to see people suffer by deliberate torture. If cancer afflicts me, that's just how life works. Our bodies aren't made to live forever. If someone hits me, that is a choice they made. That is something I'd be more concerned with as if we make better choices in what we do, how we take care of ourselves, and others we would be promed to less illnesses and have healthier ways in living. Also, if we lived in a more community-oriented mindset, then we'd see death, pain, and suffering differently than we do now and people wouldn't need to "burn in hell" for crimes they didn't commit.

I don't agree with changing people's sexual attractions from pedophiles to adult attractions. I do agree that if any attraction leads someone to hurt someone else, themselves, or their environment, then I'd intervene. I'm not one to change people's morals. I'm not really an authoritative person; so, making the laws that punish criminals is not my cup of tea. Judging people based on what I feel is immoral isn't either.

Humans can be compassionate if we did not see ourselves as deluded, sinful human beings. If we had a better outlook on our spirit and how we define ourselves, Id hope our outlook would change. I can't really compare to god because I never experienced the abrahamic god only the human spirit of jesus christ. If I were to speculate, I don't see a god that would be al the things the bible mentions. Actually, defining god or any person by what someone else rights is beyond me. We know who we are and god knows who he is. He got jealous for people just trying to figure out who he is... so I'd try to get away from what people think-john and paul included-and find out what you and the believer himself things and defines god.

But being compassionate can be practiced by any person and any god. I don't see why or how god is at a pedestal, though. That's my take.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

In your opinion. In my opinion if I was God this life is just a proving ground if you are successful and want the afterlife you move on. If you are not successful you can chose to try again or sleep forever. It is far better than any current God offers.

Virus's, Earthquakes, Birth defects exist in today's world with whatever God you worship. They force you to make choices. I like the fact the they exist. I as a God would like to see people overcome challenges. It would be inspiring to me. It is inspiring to me and most people in life today. Those that wine and cry about how terrible their life, about how life isn't fair, they would annoy me as they annoy me and others today.

I am who I am. That's all that I can ever be.

But your entire spiel was not about "overcoming challenges" to begin with. It was saying that pain and suffering are choices, and it seemed you were implying that the choices you make bring you your suffering. Now what you're saying is entirely different... that the choice available to you is whether or not you define the experiences you go through as suffering. Which is actually something I wholeheartedly agree with... to a point. So which is it? And don't be dishonest and say I was misinterpreting what you were saying originally if I really wasn't.

I would honestly not claim any portion of my life as any amount of "suffering". In fact, I remember an English class in which the topic of the book we were reading was a family who went through tragedy after tragedy in their attempts to survive. The teacher asked a simple question: "Who among you believes that you have suffered?" Nearly the whole class put their hands in the air... and I looked around, bewildered. I felt I had zero reason to have my hand in the air... because by that time I knew about kids in Africa whose villages were raided by militant groups, who had to watch their parents be killed, or even do the killing themselves. I had heard of the terrors of living under a totalitarian state, having little to no freedom. Knew of terminal illness, people who had AIDS who simply chose the wrong sexual partner, or worse, had received it by some otherwise innocuous transfer of fluid. I had nothing... NOTHING to compare to any of that. The teacher called on one of the girls to relay what it was that defined her "suffering". She was one of the ones who had most prominently displayed her hand up, and yet she stuttered over generalities and obscure references to some emotional pains that sounded a lot like "I had to live life". I remember thinking I never, ever wanted to be that girl... so wrapped up in myself I couldn't see anyone past my own experience. She had to have felt herself the center of some cosmic production. Terrible.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I can see some beauty in that.

So, will I go to hell if I don't convert to Islam?

Iam not gonna say u will go to hell.
In Quran it clearly says people who rejects the message will go to hellfire.
However i refrain from saying " pope goes to hell, kiran too, rival aswell, and so on".

I just confirm whats stated in Quran.
It doesnt look good for the one who rejects the message when it reached him/her.

 

[Rival]

Iam not gonna say u will go to hell.
In Quran it clearly says people who rejects the message will go to hellfire.
However i refrain from saying " pope goes to hell, kiran too, rival aswell, and so on".

I just confirm whats stated in Quran.

Done!

 

[EtuMalku]

Can a human be more compassionate and merciful than God

Indeed as was proven in the Christian bible itself;

In the Book of Job God is challenged by ‘one of his sons’ Satan which represents the ‘doubting thought’. God abandons his faithful servant Job and lets him fall without pity into the abyss of physical and moral suffering by murdering his sons and daughters, taking away his livestock, and eventually making the shattered Job of ill and suffering health.

Job, abandoned without protection and stripped of his rights, whose nothingness is thrown in his face at every opportunity evidently appears to be so dangerous to God that he must be battered down with God’s heaviest artillery. God’s robbery, murder, bodily injury is premeditating and he even denies a fair trial. He shows no remorse, or compassion, but ruthlessness and brutality, he violates the very commandments he dictated to man on Mount Sinai.

What is the reasoning behind God the Almighty’s resistance to such a little, puny, and defenseless man such as Job? There must be something which Man has the ability to achieve, and this something is the very same something found in the Garden of Eden story with our hero Lucifer as serpent. God sees in Job something of equal in power which causes him to bring out his whole arsenal of destruction and parade it before his opponent. God projects onto Job a skeptic’s face which is hateful because it is his own, it questions his omnipotence.

The unconscious mind of Job sees correctly even when conscious reason is blind and impotent.
God’s dual nature has been revealed. Job, in spite of his impotence, is set up by Satan to judge over God himself. God unwittingly raises Job’s spiritual consciousness by humiliating him, and in doing so God pronounces judgment on himself and gives man moral satisfaction.

God’s behavior is that of an unconscious being who cannot be judged morally. God is a phenomenon and, as Job says in the Bible, “not a man.” Not human but, in certain respects, less than human, which is how God described the Archdemon of the West Leviathan.

Job realizes God’s inner antinomy, and in the Luciferian Light of this gnosis his knowledge attains a divine numinosity . . . Job becomes like a god!

 

[bobhikes]

But your entire spiel was not about "overcoming challenges" to begin with. It was saying that pain and suffering are choices, and it seemed you were implying that the choices you make bring you your suffering. Now what you're saying is entirely different... that the choice available to you is whether or not you define the experiences you go through as suffering. Which is actually something I wholeheartedly agree with... to a point. So which is it? And don't be dishonest and say I was misinterpreting what you were saying originally if I really wasn't.

I never said pain was a choice. I said pain was a warning. Suffering is a choice it is the opposite of overcoming challenges. Suffering is giving into the pain, giving in to the challenge. I am suffering because of my pain. The only reason you suffer is that you chose to give in to the pain.

 

[FearGod]

No, Servant! I'm going to go to Jannah and be one of your--

Wait nevermind.

Do you think there will be genders in heaven?

 

[Rival]

Do you think there will be genders in heaven?

In yours? Yes.

In mine? I don't know.

 

[Aquitaine]

Iam not gonna say u will go to hell.
In Quran it clearly says people who rejects the message will go to hellfire.
However i refrain from saying " pope goes to hell, kiran too, rival aswell, and so on".

I just confirm whats stated in Quran.
It doesnt look good for the one who rejects the message when it reached him/her.

I'm so glad I'm not a believer in such a wicked ideology: putting non-believers in hellfire? Just sounds like a scare tactic if I'm honest, I don't buy it.

Also, is it not true that in Islam hellfire is temporary, and eventually the tortured are allowed in to paradise?

 

[FearGod]

In yours? Yes.

In mine? I don't know.

There will be no genders, God made us females and males for the purpose of procreation and
that won't be needed in heaven.

 

[Rival]

There will be no genders, God made us females and males for the purpose of procreation and
that won't be needed in heaven.

So, the Quranic descripton of houris with big breasts and nice eyes? Okay.

 

[FearGod]

So, the Quranic descripton of houris with big breasts and nice eyes? Okay.

hoors isn't a name for any women, no one actually knows what "hoors" is and the name
itself is masculine and not feminine according to the Arabic grammar.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I'm so glad I'm not a believer in such a wicked ideology: putting non-believers in hellfire? Just sounds like a scare tactic if I'm honest, I don't buy it.

Also, is it not true that in Islam hellfire is temporary, and eventually the tortured are allowed in to paradise?

People who slightest forms of tawheed(oneness of God) will not burn there forever.

 

[JustWondering]

Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Thanks.