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Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Well...you said your God doesn't fit.....

Let's see you try.

My God doesn't fit your definition of God. That's what I said. Don't have to try, since I already tried by talking to you. You don't accept my view of God, so my God doesn't fit your God.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
My God doesn't fit your definition of God. That's what I said. Don't have to try, since I already tried by talking to you. You don't accept my view of God, so my God doesn't fit your God.

Almighty.

How about you?.....is your god something greater?...or less?
 

Triumphant_Loser

Libertarian Egalitarian
Apparently some people never will have a conversation with God.

I've spent a vast majority of my life when I was a Christian, trying my hardest to have a conversation with God. He tends to not like answering back...weird... It's almost like he isn't even listening.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I've spent a vast majority of my life when I was a Christian, trying my hardest to have a conversation with God. He tends to not like answering back...weird... It's almost like he isn't even listening.

Yeah.
But I suspect heaven has a personal interest what stands up from the dust.
Sooner or later.....
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Almighty.

How about you?.....is your god something greater?...or less?

All that is. Including this world, nature, reality, you and me. We are all part of God.

So that's more than just a separate spirit who has superpowers.

Your God excludes this world, which makes him less than mine.

Think of it this way. Which is more?

A) an ice cream
B) a chocolate bar
C) an ice cream and a chocolate bar

You pick A). I pick C). I win.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
My God has no name.
You may apply any name as you see fit.
I will stand back ...later on....and watch the results.

The term Almighty is self explanatory.

Yes. It explains that your God is separated from All This. Which means there are things that are beyond him and outside of him. This world is something more than just him. Almighty God+World=The Bigger God.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Yes. It explains that your God is separated from All This. Which means there are things that are beyond him and outside of him. This world is something more than just him. Almighty God+World=The Bigger God.

So The Creator and His creation ARE separate items?

(Spirit First)
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
All that is. Including this world, nature, reality, you and me. We are all part of God.

So that's more than just a separate spirit who has superpowers.

Your God excludes this world, which makes him less than mine.

Think of it this way. Which is more?

A) an ice cream
B) a chocolate bar
C) an ice cream and a chocolate bar

You pick A). I pick C). I win.

Poor comparison.

Chose.....Spirit?....or substance?
consequence is pending.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
So The Creator and His creation ARE separate items?

(Spirit First)

Not in my view. You're the one separating them. I'm just trying to make you see my point by using your language and separation.

Your "God" and All that exists are One. That's the True God.

My Everything-is-one God is more than your Separate-from-world God.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Show me some evidences that god or spirit exist, then there would be some validity in claiming "spirit, first" could be possible.

Without evidences then your claim (of "spirit, first" or "god did it") is nothing more than blind faith, wishful thing or religious delusion.
 

look3467

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Show me some evidences that god or spirit exist, then there would be some validity in claiming "spirit, first" could be possible.

Without evidences then your claim (of "spirit, first" or "god did it") is nothing more than blind faith, wishful thing or religious delusion.

OK, let me see if I can help here.
Question. 1. What happens to your body when you die? Goes back to the ground, to being earth again, yes?

Question 2. What was it that it that gave life to that body? Spirit, yes?

Now you have what one poster said, "ice cream and chocolate bar".

Together as one like as body and spirit.

If the life of the body is the spirit, then where did the spirit originate?

Answer that question correctly and you will have the existence of God.

Faith....is the connection to having a wonderful relationship with both, body and spirit.

Without faith, there is absolutely no connect except for both existing as separate entities in one body.

There is no unity of body and spirit of which the original marriage was.

Two opposites makes a marriage, earth and heaven, body and spirit, good and evil, love and hate.

The choice is ours.

Blessings, AJ
 

outhouse

Atheistically
OK, let me see if I can help here.

You cannot .



Question 2. What was it that it that gave life to that body? Spirit,


No


A spirit is not something that is known to exist at this time.


At this time it is ancient mens mythology and explanation for the ignorance surrounding human consciousness.





If the life of the body is the spirit, then where did the spirit originate?

Mythology.


Answer that question correctly and you will have the existence of God.

Correct. Mythology.

Even you think all other gods are mythology.



Faith....is the connection to having a wonderful relationship with both, body and spirit.


Faith is nothing but a excuse for a complete lack of evidence to explain mens fantasy and imagination in what they want to exist in reality.


You have faith in creation, because its all you can have because there is not one bit of evidence supporting it.
 

look3467

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
..."A spirit is not something that is known to exist at this time">>>outhouse

Do you realize what that statement means to a believer?

Let me explain it to you.

Though we all have a spirit within us that keeps us alive does not mean that spirit is alive.

Double speak, an oxymoron, call it what you want, a spirit though alive can be at the same time also dead yet alive.

Here is the difference: Adam and Eves spirit became separated (Dead) from God, thus becoming their own separate entity.

Meaning, Adam and Eve having been granted life via the spirit, live despite the separation.

Here's the catcher, yet death in spirit to God via the separation.

You nailed it correctly when you stated "A spirit is not something that is known to exist at this time".

"The know to exist" is the one foreign to you. Though you are alive, do poses a spirit, yet not alive unto God for that requires a renewal.

All believers in God who accept that premise are alive to God and dead to themselves.

Here are some scriptures to support that view: 1Pe_2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

"Dead to sins"....meaning, this world no longer can hold us hostage to the power of a sinful nature.

Rom_6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Alive! Why alive if I am already alive? Is there something wrong with that statement? Unless......unless it means something else, unknown or not existing?

The story of Genesis presents the birth of the body, the marriage and the continuance of life by pro-CREation, as separate entities from God and....as like God, when it comes to pro-creation and in need of a renewal spiritually.

You can now get an understanding between a spirit alive and one not alive though yet alive in the flesh.

Blessings, AJ
 
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