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Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

s2a

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
CG Didymus said:
So many things don't add up in Genesis. Like the Sun and stars, not only were they created after the Earth, but created after plants? But then, I was wondering; Adam gets kicked out of Eden and has to till the soil? This is based on Gen 4:23 and 4:2 where Adam is sent out to "cultivate" the ground and his son Cain was a "tiller" of the ground. What did they till it with? Did God make them a plow and a hoe or something? And then Abel, why was he keeping flocks? Weren't they vegetarians? Was it for wool? Did God make Eve a loom and Abel some shears?

I see Genesis as religious poetry, but some Christians, and I guess some Jews, see it as literal. Ken Ham on his TV show Answers in Genesis, insists that it must be taken literal, that it is foundational, without it the whole of the Bible falls. What do you think.
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Many questions lurking here, and if logic need be employed. the "answer" remains an obvious...NO!.

Your interrogatory seems similar to asking a clown in Barnum's Circus to lend insight upon modern theories of gravity.

Psst.

Ken Ham is the guy in clown-face.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Muffled said:
I believe one must look at the virgin birth and ask was Jesus created or evolved. Where is the male portion that one needs for evolution?

I don't believe creation ever means evolution.
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Evolution....Day Six...Man as a species.

Chapter Two is a story of alteration...the body and spirit of Man.
Not evolution or creation....manipulation.
 
greentwiga

greentwiga

Active Member
s2a said:
Many questions lurking here, and if logic need be employed. the "answer" remains an obvious...NO!.

Your interrogatory seems similar to asking a clown in Barnum's Circus to lend insight upon modern theories of gravity.

Psst.

Ken Ham is the guy in clown-face.
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If you follow the description in Genesis 2&3, including the mention of figs, the only place that the garden could have been was Mt Karaca (Karacadag). The Ancient town of Cayonu is very close and in it were found the most ancient grains of the whole founder package, except Barley (Einkorn, Emmer, Chickpeas, Lentils, Peas, (Bitter Vetch?), and Flax). (Weiss 2011) Karaca is also the sight of domestication of most of these plants, as well as sheep possibly. Thus, Adam tilling and Abel keeping sheep fits.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
greentwiga said:
If you follow the description in Genesis 2&3, including the mention of figs, the only place that the garden could have been was Mt Karaca (Karacadag). The Ancient town of Cayonu is very close and in it were found the most ancient grains of the whole founder package, except Barley (Einkorn, Emmer, Chickpeas, Lentils, Peas, (Bitter Vetch?), and Flax). (Weiss 2011) Karaca is also the sight of domestication of most of these plants, as well as sheep possibly. Thus, Adam tilling and Abel keeping sheep fits.
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No credibility in a single word.

I have debated the man who created the karsag garbage.

It is only describes as such using more imagination then required.

And it ignores what Israelites did not know when these books were compiled and finished.


The whole notion is pathetic at best, and displays the ignorance of the imagination.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
There are no problems that can be solved without the imagination.
Imagination is the source of what we learn.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
AlphaAlex115 said:
Imagination is destroyed and is not what we learn. I learn maths etc.
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Focus on infinity.
I've seen one popular theoretical physicist explain the problem of it.
Seems people heavy into numbers can't wrap their heads around...infinity.

Not enough imagination....so it seems.
 
AlphaAlex115

AlphaAlex115

Active Member
Thief said:
Focus on infinity.
I've seen one popular theoretical physicist explain the problem of it.
Seems people heavy into numbers can't wrap their heads around...infinity.

Not enough imagination....so it seems.
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Why do you contradict yourself so much?
 
AlphaAlex115

AlphaAlex115

Active Member
.. you say that imagination is the source of education then say people cant visualise infinity without imagination. . But I can so you're incorrect and contradict yourself.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
AlphaAlex115 said:
.. you say that imagination is the source of education then say people cant visualise infinity without imagination. . But I can so you're incorrect and contradict yourself.
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Not at all.
ANY problem will need imagination to search out explanation and then test.

Numbers by the way can fail.
Such as the concept of infinity.

And what has this to do with Genesis?
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Nothing about genesis should be taken in the strictest literal fashion. I suspect there are some elements of actual historical events but much of genesis is from the Sumerian culture before it. Biology tells us that the events don't hold up. Eve would have been Adams clone/twin in a way with modified DNA making her a female. Any subsequent children they produced as well as every successive generations would be in serious biological degrade. Then we have to ask the obvious question...If Adam was "created" first then was he created with nipples and if so "WHY?"...They serve/served no purpose and why is it that every human male born continues to possess them if they served no "creative" function..?

About time you get to Noah's flood, which is actually a Sumerian story, you quickly realize that physics are against such a story but physics isn't the only area of science that disproves the story.... Biology, amongst others areas of science, come back into full view because this particular event supposedly wipes out the human race except for a select few that, once again, are closely biologically related. For them to reproduce at a rate needed to sustain and further the "human race" on the planet would not work because of...you guessed it...biological degradation. The other fatal flaw in such stories is the mental gymnastics in trying to explain the biological diversity among humans. The bible fails at this.
 
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