Can any here offer a solution to the middle east conflicts between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah?

[RestlessSoul]

Biblical verses aren't evidence of anything.

Who said they were?

 

[Revoltingest]

Who said they were?

That guy over there.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

We both look at the same info.
Where you see a conspiracy, I see voters
rewarding politicians for pursuing war.


And yet, you proffer one.

Your view says rather a lot about American voters and their culture.
Which is not at all flattering.

 

[Revoltingest]

Your view says rather a lot about American voters and their culture.
Which is not at all flattering.

True dat.
We Ameristanians must blame ourselves for
results of our votes....not murky conspiracies.
BTW, I loathe that "we" includes me.
I have different values from most Ameristanians.

Example....
I recently talked to one voter who wanted
the military to shoot dead all participants
in LGBT parades.

 

[Ponder This]

Come to Christ moment?
Do you want to tell Islam to 'come to Christ'?
Whenever I hear talk of Christ I think of the Church dogma that spun 'Christ' out of the living person of Jesus....two quite different beings altogether.

And would you tell all Israel to come to Christ?
I mean, if you're going to fail so badly then you might as well make a complete job of the fail, yes?

Do you mean everyone converts to Christianity? I suppose that if such a miraculous event took place, then the conflict would end.
Similarly, if everyone converted to Judaism or everyone converted to Islam.

It is primarily a religious war. The land belongs to the Jews according to their religion. For this reason, they can't form a one-state solution or a two-state solution.

• Two states would divide the land that is theirs by religious right.
• A one state solution would have more non-Jews than Jews within it's boundaries, leading to the state being democratically controlled by non-Jews instead of by Jews and suddenly Israel is no longer a Jewish state.

Thus Israel is incapable of achieving peace with the Palestinians... ever.

So... what solutions does Israel offer?

• They can either allow large numbers of non-Jews to live there under the control of a Jewish theocracy (the Jewish dominated democratically controlled state of Israel).
• Or they ethnically cleanse the land of large numbers of non-Jews.

Are there any other options that preserve the integrity of the Jewish homeland according to the religious faith that they have held for over 2000 years?

This is the sentiment within Israel: if Gaza was Jewish, then Oct 7 would not have happened.

 

[oldbadger]

Do you mean everyone converts to Christianity? I suppose that if such a miraculous event took place, then the conflict would end.
Similarly, if everyone converted to Judaism or everyone converted to Islam.

It is primarily a religious war. The land belongs to the Jews according to their religion. For this reason, they can't form a one-state solution or a two-state solution.

• Two states would divide the land that is theirs by religious right.
• A one state solution would have more non-Jews than Jews within it's boundaries, leading to the state being democratically controlled by non-Jews instead of by Jews and suddenly Israel is no longer a Jewish state.

Thus Israel is incapable of achieving peace with the Palestinians... ever.

So... what solutions does Israel offer?

• They can either allow large numbers of non-Jews to live there under the control of a Jewish theocracy (the Jewish dominated democratically controlled state of Israel).
• Or they ethnically cleanse the land of large numbers of non-Jews.

Are there any other options that preserve the integrity of the Jewish homeland according to the religious faith that they have held for over 2000 years?

This is the sentiment within Israel: if Gaza was Jewish, then Oct 7 would not have happened.

Gaza has never been Jewish. True? Didn't Philistines live there in earliest times?

Many Jews live secular lives, and it is mostly 'history' that has built up such great enmities. Sure, the religious on both sides will quote religious reasons for all this hatred, but it could be political diplomacy that sorts the dreadful mess out.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Do you mean everyone converts to Christianity? I suppose that if such a miraculous event took place, then the conflict would end.
Similarly, if everyone converted to Judaism or everyone converted to Islam.

It is primarily a religious war. The land belongs to the Jews according to their religion. For this reason, they can't form a one-state solution or a two-state solution.

• Two states would divide the land that is theirs by religious right.
• A one state solution would have more non-Jews than Jews within it's boundaries, leading to the state being democratically controlled by non-Jews instead of by Jews and suddenly Israel is no longer a Jewish state.

Thus Israel is incapable of achieving peace with the Palestinians... ever.

So... what solutions does Israel offer?

• They can either allow large numbers of non-Jews to live there under the control of a Jewish theocracy (the Jewish dominated democratically controlled state of Israel).
• Or they ethnically cleanse the land of large numbers of non-Jews.

Are there any other options that preserve the integrity of the Jewish homeland according to the religious faith that they have held for over 2000 years?

This is the sentiment within Israel: if Gaza was Jewish, then Oct 7 would not have happened.

For a majority of known history the Palestine/Israel lands have been ruled by non Jews.
When ever they have ruled some of the land they have been at almost constant war with their neighbours.

 

[icehorse]

For a majority of known history the Palestine/Israel lands have been ruled by non Jews

For a majority of known history Israel has also been ruled by non Palestinians.

When ever they have ruled some of the land they have been at almost constant war with their neighbours.

Indeed, since 1947, their neighbors have continually attacked them. Why? Well it could be that the Quran promises Muslims that they are the winners, and so it rubs them the wrong way if Jews succeed. I don't think most Muslims think this way, but dollars to donuts Islamic terrorists and Islamists sure do.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

For a majority of known history Israel has also been ruled by non Palestinians.



Indeed, since 1947, their neighbors have continually attacked them. Why? Well it could be that the Quran promises Muslims that they are the winners, and so it rubs them the wrong way if Jews succeed. I don't think most Muslims think this way, but dollars to donuts Islamic terrorists and Islamists sure do.

The Turks,, Romans, and Babylonians ruled the land for far longer than the Jews ever have.
This time around they have only managed some 70 years. And then by slowly stealing land from others. History would suggest that they will loose it all again.

 

[icehorse]

The Turks,, Romans, and Babylonians ruled the land for far longer than the Jews ever have.
This time around they have only managed some 70 years. And then by slowly stealing land from others. History would suggest that they will loose it all again.

stealing?

 

[Godobeyer]

Pointing me towards Islam as a redirection cannot help you.

Islam and Judaism. 99/100 similar in teaching faith.
I wish he wake up from his islamophia.
I wish all pro Israel wake up, because racist is dangerous to all humanity same as extremism in religious beliefs.

 

[Flankerl]

Islam and Judaism. 99/100 similar in teaching faith.

Gotta love the Dawah always making stuff up about things they know nothing about.

I wish all pro Israel wake up, because racist is dangerous to all humanity same as extremism in religious beliefs.

Nah not going back to being Dhimmis Habibi.
You'll have to persecute yourselves for once.

 

[Godobeyer]

Gotta love the Dawah always making stuff up about things they know nothing about.

Nothing about what's in your mind.

Nah not going back to being Dhimmis Habibi.

Try write it in Arabic, don't get your point.

You'll have to persecute yourselves for once.

Israel killed children among Hamas, or Hamas among children"civilians"?

Spoiler: Graphic pictures Palestinian children killed by Israel.

Spoiler: Graphic pictures Palestinian children killed by Israel

 

[Flankerl]

Nothing about what's in your mind.

You know nothing about Judaism.
Don't pretend.

Try write it in Arabic, don't get your point.

Why would I know Arabic?

Israel killed children among Hamas, or Hamas among children"civilians"?

This is the part where I refer to dead Israelis and you have to suppress your giddiness about it.
Why waste time?
Algeria is Jewfree, you did it habibi.

 

[Godobeyer]

You know nothing about Judaism.
Don't pretend.

Yes only Jews know judaism.

Why would I know Arabic?

I just see you pretend known. Arabic

This is the part where I refer to dead Israelis and you have to suppress your giddiness about it.
Why waste time?

I never be happy that kids killed by anyone.Neither Hamas don't do that.
in international law Israel is colonial country.
By God laws or human laws:

So Palestinian has total rights to resist this racist criminal apartheid regime.

Algeria is Jewfree, you did it habibi.

Algeria free jews, because they came with colonial France and go with France, their business finish.
Maybe if they here, Algeria taxes all go to Israel, same as AIPAC?
Jews of Morocco back from Israel, claimed land of Moroccans.
So they wants destruction many Morocco homes

what do you think about jews reclaiming there land in morocco Tangier families we're notified to free the land of jews There are more than 30k families living in that land

 

[muhammad_isa]

This is the part where I refer to dead Israelis..

This strays from the topic i.e. a solution to middle east conflict

If you only see the solution as more killing and maiming, I don't think the rest
of the region will accept that.
Do you even care?

 

[oldbadger]

Islam and Judaism. 99/100 similar in teaching faith.
I wish he wake up from his islamophia.
I wish all pro Israel wake up, because racist is dangerous to all humanity same as extremism in religious beliefs.

And what if Israel put down it's defences, and put away it's missile protection?
Are you telling me that Islam would wake up from it's Anti-Semitism? I wonder how long it would be before it would be over-run?

 

[Godobeyer]

And what if Israel put down it's defences, and put away it's missile protection?
Are you telling me that Islam would wake up from it's Anti-Semitism? I wonder how long it would be before it would be over-run?

There is easy option, justice peace deal and remove this racist apartheid regime, so Palestinians had their rights.

Islam don't have any problem with Jews, Muslims whom protection Jews during WW2 from racist christians Nazi.

Defending Israel crimes by anti semitic card, i don't swallow anymore. Stick.

I do believe Israel ideology of the chosen people, and others are the chosen human animals. Is dangerous to all humanity not just Palestinians or Lebanon or Irani.

Jews and Palestinians had right to live in peace, but with, no racist, real justice peace, not with current criminal israeli government, unfortunately USA government don't help because it's biased to zionists.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

The solution is the two-state solution based roughly on the Oslo accords. The only way it will get implemented is when the Christ returns and imposes it on Israel (the Palestinians also need persuading, but not as much).

 

[oldbadger]

There is easy option, justice peace deal and remove this racist apartheid regime, so Palestinians had their rights.

Islam don't have any problem with Jews, Muslims whom protection Jews during WW2 from racist christians Nazi.

Defending Israel crimes by anti semitic card, i don't swallow anymore. Stick.

I do believe Israel ideology of the chosen people, and others are the chosen human animals. Is dangerous to all humanity not just Palestinians or Lebanon or Irani.

Jews and Palestinians had right to live in peace, but with, no racist, real justice peace, not with current criminal israeli government, unfortunately USA government don't help because it's biased to zionists.

I don't think that you care too much for Israel or Jewish Israelis, Godobeyer.

Don't forget that Islam has a long history of invading Israel going back hundreds of years.

I don't believe that Islam can leave Israel alone, but I do think that Palestinians should be protected in Israel.