Can any here offer a solution to the middle east conflicts between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah?

[Terrywoodenpic]

The best way would be to help modernize Iran, so it is more in line with other rich Arab countries. Iran, under the Ayatollahs; spiritual and political leaders are too militant and are fighting proxy wars with Israel, supporting those who hate Israel with resources.

In 1979, when Jimmy Carter was President, and just before the President Reagan took office, the Shah of Iran; leader, was deposed by a religious rebellion that appealed to young militant youth. The Shah of Iran had made Iran more like Saudi Arabia, and like Saudi Arabia, Iran was an ally of the west. The Shah helped stabilize the region. After he was ousted, Iran went backwards to a more hostile version of their religion. If we could straighten that out, all the dominos will fall; free elections instead of an angry dictatorship.

Trump had set up an embargo of Iranian oil to reduce the money source, Iran was using to fight its proxy wars. But Biden and Harris removed the embargo, allowing Iran $billions in new revenue, which bought all those military toys used on Israel. We may have to do reinstate the oil embargo, again. Without that oil money to spend, Irans hostile influence dies down. Hopefully, there will then be unrest in Iran and revolution begins for the better.

Why do you think that the USA has the right to rule the world slapping embargoes on other countries.
It ruined the economy of Venezuela that way, because they could not let a communist country thrive in the Americas.
Embargoes create far more world problems than they solve. The USA will find that out soon enough when the dollar fails and other countries have the power to put trade barriers against them.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Why?

Then there would be peace throughout Palestine.

 

[stvdv]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

The root cause is arrogance and therefore belittling others, which naturally (Dharmically) creates anger, aggression and hate.
A few examples are:
a) Belief "My Religion is superior"
b) Israelites called" the chosen people of God"

Which is an absurd claim of course, but when done, wars will start, and they themselves are to be blamed for it.

Deuteronomy 7:6

1. For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
   [7] It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the LORD set his love upon you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples;
   [8] but it is because the LORD loves you, and is keeping the oath which he swore to your fathers, that the LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
   [9] Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
   [10] and requites to their face those who hate him, by destroying them; he will not be slack with him who hates him, he will requite him to his face.
   [11] You shall therefore be careful to do the commandment, and the statutes, and the ordinances, which I command you this day.

 

[oldbadger]

The root cause is arrogance and therefore belittling others, which naturally (Dharmically) creates anger, aggression and hate.
A few examples are:
a) Belief "My Religion is superior"
b) Israelites called" the chosen people of God"

Which is an absurd claim of course, but when done, wars will start, and they themselves are to be blamed for it.

Deuteronomy 7:6

1. For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
   [7] It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the LORD set his love upon you and chose you, for you were the fewest of all peoples;
   [8] but it is because the LORD loves you, and is keeping the oath which he swore to your fathers, that the LORD has brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
   [9] Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations,
   [10] and requites to their face those who hate him, by destroying them; he will not be slack with him who hates him, he will requite him to his face.
   [11] You shall therefore be careful to do the commandment, and the statutes, and the ordinances, which I command you this day.

Thank you for that ......
I do enjoy reading Deuteronomy and Leviticus...... It's my theory that very clever men wrote those laws and rules for the survival and growth within a young nation.
Of course, laws written by men don't have the impact of laws sent down by ones God, and even then those laws got busted so often and badly!
I just think that the extreme factions in both religions hate the other to death, and it's for the general populations to take control ?

 

[stvdv]

Thank you for that ......

I do enjoy reading Deuteronomy and Leviticus...... It's my theory that very clever men wrote those laws and rules for the survival and growth within a young nation.

I came to that conclusion also

Of course, laws written by men don't have the impact of laws sent down by ones God, and even then those laws got busted so often and badly!

True, and understandable. Humans have free choice, hence God's advice will be dynamic, not static, and change according to their evolution

I just think that the extreme factions in both religions hate the other to death, and it's for the general populations to take control ?

Good we have Atheism, at least one group that uses common sense, and don't start killing, just because some human-written Scripture said so

 

[icehorse]

I guess that you realised just how terrible your ideas were by failing to tell the cost on lives.

Pointing me towards Islam as a redirection cannot help you.

What are you talking about?

 

[oldbadger]

I came to that conclusion also

True, and understandable. Humans have free choice, hence God's advice will be dynamic, not static, and change according to their evolution

Good we have Atheism, at least one group that uses common sense, and don't start killing, just because some human-written Scripture said so

Yes, to all above.
If only people would take more care about whom they stuff in to power, eh?
Bad (extreme versions of) religions cause so much trouble, but I'm not too extreme in my non-theism either, at least I hope not.

 

[oldbadger]

What are you talking about?

Well, although I asked, you have not offered any suggestions about how many lives your ideas could cost......they seemed quite fraught to me.

And you seemed to want to redirect attention away from Israeli actions towards your feelings about Muslims in general, that's all.

You might to glance back through our conversation to pick that up, maybe?

 

[RestlessSoul]

I tend to believe that the only "solution" is to neutralize Iran so it stops supporting its many proxies. However, talk is easy, so...

Well yes. Or we could consider neutralising the USA so it stops enabling it's proxies.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Well yes. Or we could consider neutralising the USA so it stops enabling it's proxies.

It is not so much that they are proxies.
Jews are heavily involved in the American political and power system, and it's more a case of the tail wagging the dog. Americas policies on Israel and the middle east are effectively controlled by Israel. Through its American powerful nationals.

 

[icehorse]

Well, although I asked, you have not offered any suggestions about how many lives your ideas could cost......they seemed quite fraught to me.

And you seemed to want to redirect attention away from Israeli actions towards your feelings about Muslims in general, that's all.

You might to glance back through our conversation to pick that up, maybe?

Why do you think my ideas would cost any lives? That's the part I'm not understanding.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Why do you think that the USA has the right to rule the world slapping embargoes on other countries.
It ruined the economy of Venezuela that way, because they could not let a communist country thrive in the Americas.
Embargoes create far more world problems than they solve. The USA will find that out soon enough when the dollar fails and other countries have the power to put trade barriers against them.

Although the usa probably likes its superpower status, I don't think every problem in the world boils down to something we did. I'd venture to posit that in South America, in order to develop more industry, it looks like it would probably be at the cost of more of the Amazon rainforest, and there are probably are a lot of internal debates they have about that, separate from the usa's influence. That said, I think we should find a way to pivot off of heavy oil use, while at the same time we keep our own citizens happy. It's all very complicated

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Although the usa probably likes its superpower status, I don't think every problem in the world boils down to something we did. I'd venture to posit that in South America, in order to develop more industry, it looks like it would probably be at the cost of more of the Amazon rainforest, and there are probably are a lot of internal debates they have about that, separate from the usa's influence. That said, I think we should find a way to pivot off of heavy oil use, while at the same time we keep our own citizens happy. It's all very complicated

south and central America will inevitably become more devoted in the future. However the amazon region though large is not needed to achieve this.

The USA has only developed the agricultural, oil and raw material aspects as cheap sources for its own industrial uses.
In future you can expect China to help develop their infrastructure and manufacturing and educational capabilities in line with their own available raw materials, so as to increase local GDP.

 

[metis]

Then there would be peace throughout Palestine.

Obviously, you have never studied Middle Eastern history minus Israel.

 

[metis]

Well yes. Or we could consider neutralising the USA so it stops enabling it's proxies.

So, the U.S. is the villain, and Iran is the knight in shining armor, right?

 

[RestlessSoul]

So, the U.S. is the villain, and Iran is the knight in shining armor, right?

No, both are villains, as both are arming protagonists in a war which has claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people.

 

[icehorse]

No, both are villains, as both are arming protagonists in a war which has claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people.

If Israel was not able to defend itself, what do you think would happen? Now? A year ago? 20 years ago? Pick a time..

 

[metis]

No, both are villains, as both are arming protagonists in a war which has claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people.

And which one started it?

 

[Revoltingest]

Nearly everybody here hopes that all innocent civilians in Israel, Lebanon and Gaza may be supported, protected, in safety, rehomed and given food, water and medical supplies.

Each side hates the other fiercely.
So can anybody here offer any suggestions for ending these dreadful conflicts?

....because I have not got a clue.

A few of my past proposals (not listed in any order).....
- Loosen gun control in Israel so the populace can defend itself.
This would make them less vulnerable to Hamas style attacks.
- Prosecute Israeli soldiers & settlers who assault, kill, & rob Palestinians.
- A Truth & Reconciliation process for Palestinian grievances.
- End group punishment of Palestinians.
- End apartheid in Israel.
- End Palestinian imprisonment without trials in Israel.
- End Israeli torture of Palestinians.
- End the economic oppression of Palestinians by Israel.
- Israelis should begin to value lives of non-Jews as much as Jews.
- USA should stop being Israel's unquestioning obedient servant.
The massive economic & military aid propping up of Israel provides
power to induce Israel to behave more humanely & rationally.
- USA should end the practice of maintaining Iran as an enemy.
This would enable lessening hostilities in the region.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

A few of my past proposals (not listed in any order).....
- Loosen gun control in Israel so the populace can defend itself.
This would make them less vulnerable to Hamas style attacks.
- Prosecute Israeli soldiers & settlers who assault, kill, & rob Palestinians.
- A Truth & Reconciliation process for Palestinian grievances.
- End group punishment of Palestinians.
- End apartheid in Israel.
- End Palestinian imprisonment without trials in Israel.
- End Israeli torture of Palestinians.
- End the economic oppression of Palestinians by Israel.
- Israelis should begin to value lives of non-Jews as much as Jews.
- USA should stop being Israel's unquestioning obedient servant.
The massive economic & military aid propping up of Israel provides
power to induce Israel to behave more humanely & rationally.
- USA should end the practice of maintaining Iran as an enemy.
This would enable lessening hostilities in the region.

The system of American hegemony is ingrained in the American political and foreign policy. Including the status of the US dollar.
The continuance of the foreign policy backed up by the military power is fundamental.
The Arms industry and the military have complete control of American politicians.
Corruption completes the circle.

There is unlikely to be any change in American attitudes regarding Israel or the middle east.