Can Atheists Imagine?

[Sonic247]

They have tried, and all have failed.
They will continue to try, and all WILL fail.
I simply will not, and cannot, convert back to Christianity.

It's not something you can go back too, if you are saved you never lose it, eternal life is a present possesion with a future promise. You might not go back to a Christian Church though. If you lose something that's eternal then it wasn't eternal and you couldn't have had it. Also we cannot save anyone, God works salvation in the earth, sometimes he uses people though, otherwise he could say to a person who died "I sent this guy to talk to you and he didn't go so now you have to go to hell. But if he talked to you then you would have been saved. "

 

[gnomon]

Remember the old Beatles song, Imagine?

Imagine there's no heaven, it isn't hard to do. No hell below us, and no religion too.

OK, I want to reverse this song for Atheists to consider, just for a moment, that there just might be be a heaven and hell in an after life.

All right, moments over now. That was not so bad was it? Now that you imagined for a moment, if your a true Atheist, you rejected this thought for a reason. Perhaps the reason is, Heaven and Hell cannot be proven. Not believing in something that cannot be proven really has more merit than believing in something that cannot be proved. This makes more sense to the analytical mind.

I really believe Atheists are the most strong willed people because they are not afraid of things that cannot be proven. That makes alot of sense.

OK, you have bared with me this far, I want you to imagine one more thing. Go back in time 600 years ago. People thought the world was flat. If you lived in that time with the same mindset you have today, you cannot deny that you would have believed the world was flat because it could not be proven the world was round at that time.

That said, one of us is wrong now. I may be wrong about heaven and hell's existence.

Let's say I am wrong about all of this. When I die, I won't know I am wrong about this.

Let's say that just perhaps I am right about Heaven and Hell. I am going to a better place.

If you are right that there is no after life, you won't know your right, but if your wrong about this, you will have an eternity to think about your decision.

That or you might pick the wrong God.

Marduk is very angry now. So is Marmaduke.

 

[Sonic247]

Anyone can imagine, imagine how water and minerals and gases slowy came together and formed something that can imagine.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

They have tried, and all have failed.
They will continue to try, and all WILL fail.
I simply will not, and cannot, convert back to Christianity.

i'm with you on this one, the more they preach to me, the more they ailienate christianty in my eyes, plus, the preacher earns only my contempt.

 

[Sonic247]

That doesn't mean you will never become a Christian, the same sun that melts the snow hardens the clay but the word of God is a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces.

 

[BFD_Zayl]

That doesn't mean you will never become a Christian, the same sun that melts the snow hardens the clay but the word of God is a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces.

to each their own then. I follow the "let me worship my God(s), and you worship your God(s), and everyone is happy"

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That doesn't mean you will never become a Christian, the same sun that melts the snow hardens the clay but the word of God is a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces.

As Zayl said, to each thier own.
But some, in terms of our current faiths, are harder than rocks. Trust me, I never will be a Christian.

 

[Sonic247]

..harder than rock(s).. maybe that's why so many Pagans like heavy metal.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It's saying that you can do whatever you want, but as long as you accept Jesus and ask for forgivness you'll get to heaven despite a lifetimes worth of not believing; where the Christian from the start was out doing good works in the name of Jesus for a full lifetime, yet they both get the same rewards?

We do not get the same rewards in Heaven. Even in the afterlife socialism is not part of the system.

 

[Reverend Rick]

As Zayl said, to each thier own.
But some, in terms of our current faiths, are harder than rocks. Trust me, I never will be a Christian.

Never say never Luke. You have no idea how you life will evolve. Churches are full of some of the biggest hell raisers around. Of course it may have been 30 years ago.

 

[McBell]

Christians will get you saved by any method they can.

Yes, because so many of them are more concerned with the number of people they 'converted' than anything else.

Thou shalt not lie
Thou shalt not bare false witness

Unless you are converting people/saving souls.
Then, apparently, anything goes.
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[Reverend Rick]

Yes, because so many of them are more concerned with the number of people they 'converted' than anything else.

Thou shalt not lie

Thou shalt not bare false witness

Unless you are converting people/saving souls.​

Then, apparently, anything goes.​

Have you ever done the wrong thing for the right reason?

 

[McBell]

Have you ever done the wrong thing for the right reason?

Not with claiming that it is endorsed by God.
Nowhere can I find in the Bible that Christians are allowed to break Gods commandments in order to convert.

Perhaps you can point one out to me?

 

[McBell]

We do not get the same rewards in Heaven. Even in the afterlife socialism is not part of the system.

So there are differing 'levels' of heaven?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Not with claiming that it is endorsed by God.
Nowhere can I find in the Bible that Christians are allowed to break Gods commandments in order to convert.

Perhaps you can point one out to me?

I would be glad to. I am not required to be perfect and without sin. There has only been one person on this planet that could make that claim, and he is too humble to do so.

I am forgiven, that's why I can pull this off.

One time I attended a church and we needed a new Pastor. The church elders found fault with every candidate. I said I knew a perfect candidate, but he had denied that he knew Christ in the past several times. They all raised their eyebrows at me. I said that he was good enough to author several chapters in the bible however.

 

[Reverend Rick]

So there are differing 'levels' of heaven?

I don't believe there is levels in Heaven, but some get to sit beside our Lord and others get larger rewards than others.

 

[MaddLlama]

I would be glad to. I am not required to be perfect and without sin. There has only been one person on this planet that could make that claim, and he is too humble to do so.

I am forgiven, that's why I can pull this off.

One time I attended a church and we needed a new Pastor. The church elders found fault with every candidate. I said I knew a perfect candidate, but he had denied that he knew Christ in the past several times. They all raised their eyebrows at me. I said that he was good enough to author several chapters in the bible however.

So....it's ok to sin on purpose as long as you have good intentions?

 

[Mister_T]

We do not get the same rewards in Heaven. Even in the afterlife socialism is not part of the system.

I never bought the whole reward system in heaven.

Christians should follow Jesus' teachings because it's the right thing to do. Not because you get some kind of reward out of it. Reward shouldn't be the motive, unconditional love should.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Gentoo]

We do not get the same rewards in Heaven. Even in the afterlife socialism is not part of the system.

They still get to Heaven, which is the reward promised to them by the preacher. It's preying on the weak to "save souls".

 

[Gentoo]

So....it's ok to sin on purpose as long as you have good intentions?

I never understood that, it's okay to break your own rules in some circumstances. What's the saying? "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions?"