can christians answer some questions

[Renji]

Jesus is not a small god, but God in human form, therefore subject to death, pain, desire, suffering, disease, joy, fulfillment, and capable of sin.

Jesus never sinned, but he was tempted.

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin (Heb. 4:15 NASB).


The "one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin" is Jesus. See the Bible about this verse.

Any temptations he faced were directed at His human nature, rather than His divine nature.

Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am being tempted by God’; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt any one (James 1:13 NASB).

He's tempted but is not capable of sin. He has overcome all of His temptations while He is in human form so He is sinless.
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[tomspug]

Jesus never sinned, but he was tempted.

For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin (Heb. 4:15 NASB).


The "one who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin" is Jesus. See the Bible about this verse.

Any temptations he faced were directed at His human nature, rather than His divine nature.

Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am being tempted by God’; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt any one (James 1:13 NASB).

He's tempted but is not capable of sin. He has overcome all of His temptations while He is in human form so He is sinless.
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Exactly. And what point would the temptation be if Jesus wasn't human? If Jesus wasn't fallible? That is why Jesus is more than just a teacher, he is the answer to the law of the Old Testament. He is, as the apostles referred to him, "the way" to God, to truth and fulfillment, to life.

 

[Gharib]

hang on a second you guys are giving me mixed messages.

one says god isn't a siner then another says he is temped into sin but doesn't commit it. so tell me how can god be tempted into sin doesn't he know better than that. i mean if i created some robots and then i dressed up or somehow became like them then i would know what is right and what isn't.

and by the way why do christians and catholics beleive in Jesus, didn't you guys kill him.

 

[tomspug]

hang on a second you guys are giving me mixed messages.

one says god isn't a siner then another says he is temped into sin but doesn't commit it. so tell me how can god be tempted into sin doesn't he know better than that. i mean if i created some robots and then i dressed up or somehow became like them then i would know what is right and what isn't.

and by the way why do christians and catholics beleive in Jesus, didn't you guys kill him.

If Jesus is in a desert, starving from hunger, does he not crave food? NEED food? The devil offers him food... conditionally, and Jesus recognized the condition that supercedes desire. This is just one example of the "spirit" overcoming the "body and mind".

You are making it sound like Jesus should not crave food at all, even if he is hungry.

and by the way why do christians and catholics beleive in Jesus, didn't you guys kill him.

Um... what?

 

[Gharib]

ok well tell me this if god/Jusus/holy spirit is one then why has god called himself a father, a son and a holy spirit
in ordet to become a father a man must have a child with the help of a female. in order to be called "the son" or "a son" you must have a father and a mother true right. so if god has no father and no son why use the words THE FATHER, THE SON etc...

and one more thing you guys (christians and catholics) beleive in "mother" theresa right, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not saying you beleive in her as a god or anything but as a great christian/catholic icon
you call a preist a father and theresa a mother.
doesn't one have to have a child to be called a mother or a father.

 

[Renji]

and by the way why do christians and catholics beleive in Jesus, didn't you guys kill him.

We killed Jesus? I said earlier that He is killed on the cross as part of His plan to save mankind from sin ("Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted"- Isaiah 53:4). It is not the Christians that killed Jesus. It is the Jews and the Romans that time that didn't believe in Him and in what He said who crucified Him.

 

[Renji]

ok well tell me this if god/Jusus/holy spirit is one then why has god called himself a father, a son and a holy spirit
in order to become a father a man must have a child with the help of a female. in order to be called "the son" or "a son" you must have a father and a mother true right. so if god has no father and no son why use the words THE FATHER, THE SON etc...

and one more thing you guys (christians and catholics) beleive in "mother" theresa right, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not saying you beleive in her as a god or anything but as a great christian/catholic icon
you call a preist a father and theresa a mother.
doesn't one have to have a child to be called a mother or a father.

But God is a spirit and not a man ("God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24). He should not be treated equal to us like in order for Him to have a son, He needs a wife or a female. Of course we believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are one for it is written in the Bible that there is only one true God. If you still doubt that they are not one, read this verse "I and the Father are one."- John 10:30.

Well, we are calling the saints like Mother Teresa as a sign of respect or a reminder that there are people in this world that are holy and want to be holy because they want salvation. One more thing, we call her "mother" because if you research her life, you can see that she is so motherly (helpful). We call a priest a father because he is like a "father" of the "children"(people) in a particular community. That priest spreads the Word so the people can never lead astray.

I hope that you have a respect on Christian faith because I respect your faith as a Muslim.

 

[Breathe]

Did I read this incorrectly? I’m sorry, but what you wrote seems to indicate that "Christian denominations (except for Mormons and a couple of people...) believe that Jesus is the Son of God".

Yeah, Clear. You read incorrectly. It's my fault, because I'm comma-happy and I'm not very good with wording things. My apologies!

What people were meant to do is continue reading, it says this:

As far as I am aware, the majority of Christian denominations (except for Mormons and a couple of people "here and there") believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but this does not mean that God has had intercourse.

After all, Mormons believe Jesus is literally the Son of God, and God had intercourse with Mary, correct?

 

[Breathe]

Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I'm wondering why you think otherwise.

I know that. It was my bad wording. I've edited it now. I hope it's clearer.

 

[Gharib]

dear Lawrence
sorry for having miss-read your answers and yes you are right the romans and jews killed him.
and i too respect your religion and all the others, i have nothing against any religion, everyone is free to make a decission of their own. everyone has a perspective in this life.

ok i think you've made your point on the words THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. i sort of get it know that god, jesus and the spirit are one in christianity right.

but i have another question
how many religios books/scriptures does christianity have.
first i know that there is the bible,
then the paul version
then the john version
are they the same thing and are named differently by people or are they different scriptures to each other in some way and are there any more scriptures if they are different

 

[Renji]

dear Lawrence
sorry for having miss-read your answers and yes you are right the romans and jews killed him.
and i too respect your religion and all the others, i have nothing against any religion, everyone is free to make a decission of their own. everyone has a perspective in this life.

ok i think you've made your point on the words THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. i sort of get it know that god, jesus and the spirit are one in christianity right.

but i have another question
how many religios books/scriptures does christianity have.
first i know that there is the bible,
then the paul version
then the john version
are they the same thing and are named differently by people or are they different scriptures to each other in some way and are there any more scriptures if they are different

I understand. We have the Bible as the main source of our doctrines. I don't get the point of your question here:" first i know that there is the bible,
then the paul version
then the john version "

Well, if you are referring to the contents of the Bible, it contains many different writtings(such as Genesis, Exodus,etc) from the saints like the writtings of Paul and John.They have different topics alright but they contain the same thought about God. Now if you are talking about translations like the King James Version, New American Standard Bible and the Traditional translation, that's a different case, but the contents of those translations are all the same.

 

[Gharib]

ok i have a question about that paul saint
he is the man usually reffered to as Paul the baptist right when you answer this i'll make another question

 

[Breathe]

ok i have a question about that paul saint
he is the man usually reffered to as Paul the baptist right when you answer this i'll make another question

Paul the Apostle is not the same as John the Baptist (Islam: Yahya).

Paul the Apostle is believed responsible for 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, and some of the other books of the New Testament. He never saw Christ "in the flesh", but had a vision where Christ appeared to him. He was originally a person who persecuted the Christians, but later came to stand up for them and believe in their message.

 

[S-word]

the questions that i want to ask are many so i'll take it one at a time.

christians beleive that there is only one god right.
you also beleive that prophet Isa (as) or Jesus (as) was and is the son of god Subhanallah true, right, and then there also is the holy spirit.

so can someone answer this question for me:
if you beleive that there is only one god, then the son of god , Subhanallah, who you guys claim is prophet Isa (as)/ Jesus (as), is also a god and so is the holy spirit right.
doesn't that somehow equal 3 gods or am i confused

You are a micro universe created in the image and likeness of the macro universe and you too are a triade being, consisting of a body which is created by and activated by the Logos (the first person of the tride that is you) which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe, which includes your body.

Upon the throne, behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of that body, sits the Godhead or Father spirit (This is the second person of the triad that is you) from which you originated and he is the compilation of all your good ancestors who have fallen asleep in righteousness and have been gathered to him, and you, the mind that has developed within that body, are the third person of the triad being that is you, and you have the potential to become the Son of and one with He, whose living genetic thread of life reaches back to the very Beginning of this period of universal activity where sits the Godhead who had developed in the previous universal body. I hope this is of some help to you.

 

[Gharib]

Paul the Apostle is not the same as John the Baptist (Islam: Yahya).

Paul the Apostle is believed responsible for 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, and some of the other books of the New Testament. He never saw Christ "in the flesh", but had a vision where Christ appeared to him. He was originally a person who persecuted the Christians, but later came to stand up for them and believe in their message.

i see in a way you have answered my question that was to follow.
why do christians beleive in the books of Paul when he murdered the christians isn't he or wasn't he in a way the same as Hitler was to the jews. i mean why read a book or in this case a holy book of someone who murdered your people.

ok you've said that he came to beleive in their message and i understand that, its fine up to here.

what i'm about to write next may seem offencive so please do not get offended by that.

but tell me this if i suddenly decide to write a book just as he did why would you not read it or accept it. i'm not trying to make this look as a dumb question or offend christianity, but i simply want to know why would christians accept his book and not mine, because as far as i know he wasn't a prophet of god nor did he claim that he was and as you have mention he never met Jesus but he had a vission or he appeared to paul so were there any witnesses to back up that claim or was he alone when Jesus appeared to him.

and two more question does the christian/catholic religion change these books (not the outside but the inside, the wording) as time progresses. i mean there is the old testament and the new testament what do they really mean.

finally if i wanted to become a christian/catholic then which book would i need to follow because these books aren't exactly the same word by word. because one of them says that before Jesus was crucified the roman guards came to his house and he jumped out of the window to escape them, another says that his friend (the one that betrayed him) took the romans to his house and told them who he was and the romans took him and i don't really what the other one says. so which of these is telling the truth. which one am i to beleive.

and i will say again no offence or anything to the christian and catholic religion and their followers.

 

[Gharib]

You are a micro universe created in the image and likeness of the macro universe and you too are a triade being, consisting of a body which is created by and activated by the Logos (the first person of the tride that is you) which is the divine animating principle that pervades the entire universe, which includes your body.

Upon the throne, behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of that body, sits the Godhead or Father spirit (This is the second person of the triad that is you) from which you originated and he is the compilation of all your good ancestors who have fallen asleep in righteousness and have been gathered to him, and you, the mind that has developed within that body, are the third person of the triad being that is you, and you have the potential to become the Son of and one with He, whose living genetic thread of life reaches back to the very Beginning of this period of universal activity where sits the Godhead who had developed in the previous universal body. I hope this is of some help to you.

i too hope that it is helpfull because i really don't get it. thanks anyway but i do sort of understand in my own way

 

[Breathe]

but tell me this if i suddenly decide to write a book just as he did why would you not read it or accept it. i'm not trying to make this look as a dumb question or offend christianity, but i simply want to know why would christians accept his book and not mine, because as far as i know he wasn't a prophet of god nor did he claim

Paul did not claim to be a prophet, but he did claim to be an apostle. A servant to God, a servant to Jesus, and I suppose the reason that his words are trusted is because of that, he claimed to be both a prophet, and claimed to be a servant of God. Jesus is believed to have given him "things to do".

Jesus later tells Paul,"...get up and stand on your feet, for I have appeared to you for this reason: to appoint you as my servant and as witness of this vision in which you have seen me, and of others in which I shall appear to you" (Acts 26:16).

Source: Getting to Know Paul the Apostle 11:23GMT 2008-Nov-01

and two more question does the christian/catholic religion change these books (not the outside but the inside, the wording) as time progresses.

Only to make it "make sense" in the common day. For example, at one point "gay" meant "happy", but now it almost exclusively means homosexual. Idioms are gained, idioms are lost, etc. The message is still there, it's just the style that changes.

i mean there is the old testament and the new testament what do they really mean.

The Old Testament is "Pre-Jesus", for lack of a better term. The New Testament is from when Jesus is born, starts his ministry, and his followers'. Hope this helps.

finally if i wanted to become a christian/catholic then which book would i need to follow because these books aren't exactly the same word by word.

You would follow the whole Bible. You don't pick-and-choose.

because one of them says that before Jesus was crucified the roman guards came to his house and he jumped out of the window to escape them,

What Bible is this? What book of the Bible? I've never seen that!

another says that his friend (the one that betrayed him) took the romans to his house and told them who he was and the romans took him and i don't really what the other one says.

At his house? Which book of the Bible is this?

so which of these is telling the truth. which one am i to beleive.

I don't think you've quite got it right. As far as I'm aware, they both explain what happened more or less the same. Some with information left out, others with other information, but hardly THAT far apart as you said. Christians believe Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane when Judas showed the Roman guards who he was.

 

[Gharib]

[QUOTE]Paul did not claim to be a prophet, but he did claim to be an apostle. A servant to God, a servant to Jesus, and I suppose the reason that his words are trusted is because of that, he claimed to be both a prophet, and claimed to be a servant of God. Jesus is believed to have given him "things to do".
[/QUOTE]
but didn't you/someone else say that he never met Jesus while he was on earth. and that he killed christians.
i too am a serveant and slave of Allah but that doesn't mean i can start to write holy books, does it.
and you have said that he didn't claim to be a prophet but then you say he did, which one is it

 

[Breathe]

but didn't you/someone else say that he never met Jesus while he was on earth.

Haha, I did
But, he did have a vision. Just as Muhammad did not see Allah, but he wrote the scriptures.

and that he killed christians.

Yes, he did. But he repented. Christianity is big on repentance.

i too am a serveant and slave of Allah but that doesn't mean i can start to write holy books, does it.

It depends if God intends for you to write scripture

and you have said that he didn't claim to be a prophet but then you say he did, which one is it

No, I said he did not claim to be a prophet, but claimed to be an apostle.

 

[Gharib]

Haha, I did
But, he did have a vision. Just as Muhammad did not see Allah, but he wrote the scriptures.

Muhammed (saws) did not see or speak with Allah direcly during the revelations but they were done through the angel Gebrail (as) or Gabriel. the prophet could see the angel. and there were times when the angel would get the form of a human by the permission and will of Allah and would make questions to the prophet infront of other followers and when they'd say to the prophet who was that, he would say that it was Gabriel. the men would rush outside to go and speak to it but they never found him, nor did they find foot steps