can christians answer some questions

[Breathe]

Muhammed (saws) did not see or speak with Allah direcly during the revelations but they were done through the angel Gebrail (as) or Gabriel.

That's true I was trying to make it so you could relate to it, though. The Revelation was a 'vision', according to Christianity.

the prophet could see the angel.

This is what I meant. Paul saw Jesus in this way.

and there were times when the angel would get the form of a human by the permission and will of Allah and would make questions to the prophet infront of other followers

I didn't know this. Could you tell me some more about it on another thread, please? Maybe start one up. Did they see Gabriel as he asked them?

and when they'd say to the prophet who was that, he would say that it was Gabriel. the men would rush outside to go and speak to it but they never found him, nor did they find foot steps

... okay..

 

[Gharib]

I didn't know this. Could you tell me some more about it on another thread, please? Maybe start one up. Did they see Gabriel as he asked them?

i will answer your other question too but look for this thread if you want to know more about it
Gabriels part in the revelation of the Kur'an
i'll open it tomorrow maybe ok.

 

[Breathe]

i will answer your other question too but look for this thread if you want to know more about it
Gabriels part in the revelation of the Kur'an
i'll open it tomorrow maybe ok.

Okay, thank you

 

[lilithu]

so if god is in three personages then why when he had a human form (Jesus) i assume. did he let its creations to kill it. i mean he is powerfull why let humans embarras the creator (why let your creation embarras you)

In the Christian tradition, Jesus' crucifixion was not an embarrassment, a sign of weakness. Rather, it was a sign of voluntary sacrifice and love.

In the Christian tradition, Jesus was sent for that purpose.

You, as a Muslim, think of Jesus/Issa as a prophet, a human sent from God to deliver God's word. And so, the killing of God's prophet would seem like an embarrassment. But in the Christian tradition, Jesus/Issa *IS* God's word. He is the living Logos. As such, the death of his physical body did not stop the message. In fact, it fulfilled it.

 

[lilithu]

It is not the Christians that killed Jesus. It is the Jews and the Romans that time that didn't believe in Him and in what He said who crucified Him.

Jesus was a Jew. The majority of his followers were Jews.

There were Jews that believed and Jews who did not believe.

Jesus was killed by the people who did not believe.

Please do not blame Jesus' murder on "the Jews." It's inaccurate and foments prejudice.

 

[Renji]

Jesus was a Jew. The majority of his followers were Jews.

There were Jews that believed and Jews who did not believe.

Jesus was killed by the people who did not believe.

Please do not blame Jesus' murder on "the Jews." It's inaccurate and foments prejudice.

Please reread my replies. I think you misunderstud it. I'm trying to say that it is the Jews and Romans that did not believe in Him and His words (and not all of them!) that crucified Him. I have a Biblical proof about this(reffer to my earlier replies) and this is not inaccurate. Are you telling that the Bible is inacurate? I'm not judging them.

 

[lilithu]

Please reread my replies. I think you misunderstud it. I'm trying to say that it is the Jews and Romans that did not believe in Him and His words (and not all of them!) that crucified Him.

Is there a reason to say "Jews and Romans," as opposed to people?

If Jesus were to come today, what makes you certain that many so-called Christians would not do a similar thing?

 

[Renji]

Is there a reason to say "Jews and Romans," as opposed to people?

If Jesus were to come today, what makes you certain that many so-called Christians would not do a similar thing?

Well, who are the people that time who cried this line "Crucify Him!" The answer is some of the Jews and Romans (in that time and not in the present) who did not believe in Him. I'm not judging them. It's a Biblical fact. And about that " If Jesus were to come today, what makes you certain that many so-called Christians would not do a similar thing?" statement, I've never mentioned nor asked about the certainty that Christians would accept Him or do the same thing. But then you asked, I will answer it. Think of this logic: A Christian at heart will always be a Christian, and a Christian only in words is not a true Christian.

 

[Katzpur]

This is what I meant. Paul saw Jesus in this way.

Are you saying he didn't see the resurrected Christ, standing on the right hand of God, but an angel instead? Or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[Breathe]

Are you saying he didn't see the resurrected Christ, standing on the right hand of God, but an angel instead? Or am I misunderstanding you?

Hmm... you're misunderstanding me. Again I meant, Paul saw Jesus "in a vision". I didn't word it greatly though!

 

[Katzpur]

Hmm... you're misunderstanding me. Again I meant, Paul saw Jesus "in a vision". I didn't word it greatly though!

Okie Dokie. Thanks.

 

[Gharib]

In the Christian tradition, Jesus was sent for that purpose.

tell me who sent him

 

[Gharib]

Are you saying he didn't see the resurrected Christ, standing on the right hand of God, but an angel instead? Or am I misunderstanding you?

i thought Jusus was god. isn't he

 

[lilithu]

tell me who sent him

For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

God the Father sent God the Son.

 

[Katzpur]

i thought Jusus was god. isn't he

He is the Son of God. I do not believe Him to be simply "another manifestation" of His Father. I do believe Him to be divine, though. I also believe that He shares the title of "God" with His Father. Jesus, however, did refer to His Father as His "God," which clearly would not make an ounce of sense if they were one and the same.

 

[McBell]

how many religios books/scriptures does christianity have.

Seems to me that it depends entirely upon how you define "Christian" as well as how fine a nit you have to pick.

Do you count every version of the Bible as a seperate book?
Are you talking about each book contained within the Bible as seperate books?
What of the books not in many Bibles, like Jasher or the apocrypha?
Do to MY definition of "Christian" I would include the Book of Mormon, and other LDS exclusive works, as "Christian" books/scripture.

 

[Gharib]

For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

God the Father sent God the Son.

so you are saying that Jesus is the son of god and not god himself

 

[Gharib]

He is the Son of God. I do not believe Him to be simply "another manifestation" of His Father. I do believe Him to be divine, though. I also believe that He shares the title of "God" with His Father. Jesus, however, did refer to His Father as His "God," which clearly would not make an ounce of sense if they were one and the same.

by my understanding you are saying that Jesus and god (the father) are two different beings (not one being, or one person but 2 right). i don't know what sort of a christian you are or where you have come from but thats not what i've been told. these other guys say that THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT is one (it' god imitating all three)
i am really confused now

 

[Storm]

Katzpur is a Mormon, and they don't believe in the Trinity. Most Christians do.

 

[Katzpur]

by my understanding you are saying that Jesus and god (the father) are two different beings (not one being, or one person but 2 right). i don't know what sort of a christian you are or where you have come from but thats not what i've been told. these other guys say that THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT is one (it' god imitating all three)
i am really confused now

Well don't worry about it. Most of the Christians who believe they're all a part of one substance are confused, too. And Storm is right. I'm a Christian but my denomination is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We don't accept the doctrine of the Trinity.