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can christians answer some questions

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
so you are saying that Jesus is the son of god and not god himself
Did you somehow not see the last line that I wrote?

God the Father sent God the Son.

Having said that, I personally don't believe that Jesus was God the Son. I'm not Christian. But I have no problem with that belief. It makes sense within its own framework.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Well, I'm a Christian and not a Muslim. But I do respect their belief.
I respect both Christianity and Islam. But I am a Unitarian Universalist.

Asking me "why" I don't believe Jesus was God the Son is like someone asking you "why" you don't believe Mohammed was the last prophet of God. It's not a matter of disrespecting someone else's beliefs. It's simply a matter of not believing them oneself.
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
I respect both Christianity and Islam. But I am a Unitarian Universalist.

Asking me "why" I don't believe Jesus was God the Son is like someone asking you "why" you don't believe Mohammed was the last prophet of God. It's not a matter of disrespecting someone else's beliefs. It's simply a matter of not believing them oneself.


Well I'm asking why you don't believe in it. And you answer "Because I don't". Does that fit as an answer to my question? Well I did not say that you disrespect any of Christian/Muslim beliefs here. That line originated from you.
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Well I'm asking why you don't believe in it. And you answer "Because I don't". Does that fit as an answer to my question?
Yes it fits, because it is the answer.

I don't believe that Jesus is God. At least not any more than all of us are.

It's fine with me that you believe it. I feel no need to ask you "why."

Let's just leave it at that, shall we?
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
first of all i want to thank all of you for answering my questions and for taking your time in doing so. up to this point i undertsand the meaning of the words THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT from a christian perspective. i on the other hand cannot accept that because it isn't my nature as a muslim to believe that. i hope you understand.

so i have another question, i may have mentioned it but here goes anyway.
how many scriptures does the christian religion have. i know that there is the bible and so i am wondering if the others (paul, john etc) are in it or different parts to the bible.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
so i have another question, i may have mentioned it but here goes anyway. how many scriptures does the christian religion have. i know that there is the bible and so i am wondering if the others (paul, john etc) are in it or different parts to the bible.
Well, just like my answer to your question on the Trinity was different from that of most Christians, my answer to this question is also going to be different. As a Latter-day Saint Christian, I believe in the Bible (Old and New Testaments, including the four gospel accounts of Jesus' life, the epistles of Paul and others, and John's Revelation). I also believe in the "Book of Mormon," which is another witness of Jesus Christ, our Savior, the "Doctrine and Covenants," and the "Pearl of Great Price." Furthermore, I believe in continuing revelation from God to a living prophet. What this means to me is that the canon of scripture is not closed. God still communicates to us today. This, of course, is not what the majority of Christians believe. Since you raised the question, though, I thought I'd put in my two cents worth. :)
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Well, just like my answer to your question on the Trinity was different from that of most Christians, my answer to this question is also going to be different. As a Latter-day Saint Christian, I believe in the Bible (Old and New Testaments, including the four gospel accounts of Jesus' life, the epistles of Paul and others, and John's Revelation). I also believe in the "Book of Mormon," which is another witness of Jesus Christ, our Savior, the "Doctrine and Covenants," and the "Pearl of Great Price." Furthermore, I believe in continuing revelation from God to a living prophet. What this means to me is that the canon of scripture is not closed. God still communicates to us today. This, of course, is not what the majority of Christians believe. Since you raised the question, though, I thought I'd put in my two cents worth. :)


ok thanks for your response. now the main question is this: why are there other names within the bible like the epistles of Paul, that of John. which of these is right to believe in because by my understanding they have some differences right.
and as far as i know Paul saw a vission of Jusus so do you guys consider him as a prophet or not.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Q; where is Jesus buried anyway (the body)
He's not buried anywhere because He's not dead. He was resurrected the third day following His death, which is why His followers found the tomb empty. After spending a period of about forty days with them, He ascended to Heaven in bodily form, where He reigns today with His Father.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
ok thanks for your response. now the main question is this: why are there other names within the bible like the epistles of Paul, that of John. which of these is right to believe in because by my understanding they have some differences right.
Well, there are four accounts of Jesus' life, each written by a different purpose. If you and three friends all were to tell the same story, each of you would undoubtedly include some details the others omitted, and would present the story from a different perspective. The writers of the four gospels did pretty much the same. As far as the epistles (i.e. letters) are concerned, Paul and the other Apostles were directing their remarks to specific groups of people and focused on what each group of people needed to hear. They don't contradict each other, but again, they were never intended to be duplicates of each other.

and as far as i know Paul saw a vission of Jusus so do you guys consider him as a prophet or not.
I do, and some other Christians do. Some Christians may not.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
He's not buried anywhere because He's not dead. He was resurrected the third day following His death, which is why His followers found the tomb empty. After spending a period of about forty days with them, He ascended to Heaven in bodily form, where He reigns today with His Father.

the Kur'an teaches us that he will return again. Allah will bring him back to this world for a short amout of time but not as a prophet but a simple man. and infact his return will be one of the first biggest signs of judgement day, but we do not believe that Jesus (as) is god nor the son of god, he's just a messenger.

is that the same way christians see it?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
the Kur'an teaches us that he will return again. Allah will bring him back to this world for a short amout of time but not as a prophet but a simple man. and infact his return will be one of the first biggest signs of judgement day, but we do not believe that Jesus (as) is god nor the son of god, he's just a messenger.

is that the same way christians see it?
No, Christians believe He is the Only Begotten Son of God. Trinitarian Christians (of which I am not one) have a somewhat different belief, but since it has always been confusing to me, I'll let one of them answer. Most of them believe that the Son and the Father are just different manifestations of the same Divine Being -- or something to that effect. Latter-day Saint Christians see them as distinct beings who are "one in will and purpose." I believe that all Christians (LDS Christians included) see Jesus Christ as much more than a messenger or a prophet. We see Him as our Savior and Redeemer, as the Creator of our universe (under the direction of His Father), and as the only means by which mankind can be reconciled to God.
 

No*s

Captain Obvious
the questions that i want to ask are many so i'll take it one at a time.
christians beleive that there is only one god right.
you also beleive that prophet Isa (as) or Jesus (as) was and is the son of god Subhanallah true, right, and then there also is the holy spirit.

so can someone answer this question for me:
if you beleive that there is only one god, then the son of god , Subhanallah, who you guys claim is prophet Isa (as)/ Jesus (as), is also a god and so is the holy spirit right.
doesn't that somehow equal 3 gods or am i confused

Rather than go directly into that (I can see that you discussed this at length with some people already), may I ask you some things to clarify what you believe about God on some things that are related to it? I'll go ahead and stick them out.

Do you believe that God has always had His Word? That is, was there ever a time when God did not have Word?

In Christianity, God breaths into dirt to create Adam. Does this happen in Islam? If so, is God ever without His Breath? It is the Breath, after all, that we know life by, and God is, of all beings, supremely alive (and surely the breath of God cannot mean anything as crass and material as it does with us).

If you say yes, we may be closer in understanding than you think.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Rather than go directly into that (I can see that you discussed this at length with some people already), may I ask you some things to clarify what you believe about God on some things that are related to it? I'll go ahead and stick them out.

Do you believe that God has always had His Word? That is, was there ever a time when God did not have Word?

are you speaking about prophets and the scriptures or something else?
sorry but i have difficulties understanding thie question, i hope you don't mind explaining it to me a bit more.

In Christianity, God breaths into dirt to create Adam. Does this happen in Islam? If so, is God ever without His Breath? It is the Breath, after all, that we know life by, and God is, of all beings, supremely alive (and surely the breath of God cannot mean anything as crass and material as it does with us).

in islam it says this: when ever Allah wants something (wants to create something) he just says BECOME and (the thing he desires) becomes.
again sorry but i do not undestand that breath thing, i ussualy get confused easily, i hope that doesn't bother you

If you say yes, we may be closer in understanding than you think.

understanding what?
islam consideres christianity and judaism to be close to it, but just some beliefs aren't exact (example they do not accept Muhammed (saws) as being the last prophet).
i personally prety much understand a lot of things but not all
 
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