Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Ahh, so you hate 80% of the US population because your idea is that they all think just like Kellykep. Interesting.
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can christians support a homosexual inclination?
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waitasec
Veteran Member
don't put words in my mouth friend
religion is AN excuse not THE excuse
do you understand the difference?
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I am my religion. Don't lump me in with him.
Since it's been proven that people are born with these inclinations, then how could any of us condemn it? Since I believe that "my" God has far more mercy than any human, then how can I think that God would condemn it?
It is far easier to judge and condemn others than to judge and condemn ourselves.
Religion can't be accepted as an excuse for bad behavior. :no:
That's the rule.
Bad behavior is not justified by someone's beliefs. I think you have to hold the individual accountable for their behavior, not their religion.
If you make religion accountable, I think you are buying into the excuse.
IMO a person is accountable for their behavior regardless of their beliefs. I don't see any need to take a person's religion into account when dealing with them.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Where did I misinterpret you?
no it's not one person it's 50% of the US population which so happens to be 80% christian
your selective hearing is definitely showing...did i say religion is the ONLY excuse? no i did not...
religion is AN excuse for bad behavior not THE excuse...
Shermana
Heretic
Jesus says that one commits adultery in their hearts by merely looking at a woman with lustful intent, what is an "inclination" other than a lustful intent? G-d's mercy does not translate to freely forgiving unrepentant sinners.
As for being born with it, that's another story, this is not the thread to get into reincarnation hinted at in the Bible, but I believe it's something that can be carried over in the soul's Rebirth process. There are many "inclinations" that people are born with, do you want to say all those other "inclinations" are alright? Some people are inclined towards animals. Many people are "inclined" towards close relatives. Is that now justified because it's inclined? If a person shows interest in his sister from an early age, is that now justified as "inclined"?
As for "judging others", the "Don't judge lest ye be judged" is one of the most out-of-context used teachings of Jesus, did Jesus mean to say you shouldn't judge anyone on anything? Even Paul was quite a judger.
If you believe Paul's Epistles, he most clearly says that those who engage in those acts are not going to the Kingdom. How can one possibly "love" someone by allowing them to do something that bars them entrance from the Kingdom? Make up some Theology that contradicts what the scriptures plainly say or deny them, those are the only options.
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Shermana
Heretic
Would you like to explain why my rationale from a religious perspective doesn't make sense?
Shermana
Heretic
I have no idea why my response even indicated that they had an idea of "Sexual orientation", perhaps you'd like to quote which part exactly gave you the idea. I don't think I said anything in that post about such orientation in ancient belief. However, nonetheless the Greeks arguably had their own concept of what is now called "orientation" in their own words.
Now with that, please explain in detail which text I'm not exegeting properly in light of what you're saying of what you claimed I said about "orientation", or kindly admit that you had to set up a straw man from what I said to avoid actually addressing anything specific about the verses I used. Feel free to tell me which verses I'm not exegeting and what you think they mean instead and how they differ from what I said about them. That would be great.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
you are much more than a concept or an impression
waitasec
Veteran Member
waitasec
Veteran Member
imo, if someone is indoctrinated they are not accountable...
waitasec
Veteran Member
then your answer to the OP
"can christians support a homosexual inclination"
is yes...however, the consensus is inconsistent...go figure.
So Christians can support homosexuality? Why?
waitasec
Veteran Member
when did i say they could?
Or couldn't they?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Straw man argument. You take the statements of one anti-gay person and broad brush an entire religion with his post then you claim to hate religion. Not just one religion and not just parts of religion, but "religion". How else can that be read except for people to believe you hate not only all religions but those who believe in religions? I tried to clarify and you made accusations against me. Why?
waitasec
Veteran Member
do you tolerate excuses?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
It depends on the excuse. IMO, it's better to have reasonable excuses. For example, if I'm late for work because of traffic, I should state "I was late for work because I didn't take into account the amount traffic on the roads at that hour. I will allow for additional time in the future". That's a reasonable excuse and also an apology. As with any apology, it only works if I take corrective action.
Now, I've answered your questions. Why don't you explain why you hate all religions so much? If you don't want to answer, please state so.
Now, I've answered your questions. Why don't you explain why you hate all religions so much? If you don't want to answer, please state so.