Can good people go to hell?

[Mandolover]

So me and my friend were talking about religions. And he said asked me do I respect the 10 commandments and listed them. I answered yes to all. I do respect them. Then, he asked do I help other people. I answered Yes. He asked me what do I do. I said: Today I helped my brother with picking up 30 min of his trash so when he come home he doesn't have to. I also cleaned my mom's room as a surprise. altogether about 2 h. I then asked "What is hell?". He explained it and I asked who goes to hell. He said: Non-Christians. So I respect the commandmetns and am good to people (In my opinion) and I do think Jesus did miracles, but he is not the ONLY way to god, and I would go to hell. Is that correct? Just wandering, I don't really belive in hell

If you don't believe in hell or any type of afterlife then yeah do whatever you want, live life however you want, make the most of it.
However, you also have to consider that sometimes our lack of belief doesn't correlate with reality. So if hell is real and if you believe the gospel story then anyone who hasn't restored their relationship with God is going to hell.

 

[Rapture Era]

Which interpretation of it, Rapture Era?
Do you mean which translation do I use?
I too believe that the bible contains the word of God, and I do believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer....but I'll lay odds (and it is against my religion to gamble...which should tell you that I don't think I'm gambling when I 'lay odds') that if you are any form of evangelical Christian, that you absolutely do not think that I am a Christian, that you consign most people who don't agree with your specific interpretation of biblical 'truth' to hell.....including, perhaps, Catholics, Orthodoxy and a whole bunch of other people.
yet all of THEM are 'staking their eternal destinies' upon their personal beliefs regarding Jesus Christ.
Do you believe Jesus is GOD the great I AM? Why would I not think you are a Christian? Does your biblical interpretation teach that Jesus is God? That the ONLY way to heaven is through Him and Him alone?
So you believe that God will condemn to eternal hell everybody who doesn't choose the right belief system, whether or not they ever got a chance to LEARN about the right belief system, or whether or not those who belong to the 'right' one were not responsible enough to teach it, or who acted in a manner that turned prospective believers away in disgust?
Do you truly believe that God is that unfair, and that capricious?
Jesus Himself said, "I am the way the truth and the life, no one gets into heaven except through me" What does that mean to you?
Well, it's not up to you to determine that, thank the Lord. You are right, its not up to me, I cannot see into your heart, you can fool me with words, but He can see into your heart and you cant fool Him. I'm just repeating what God Himself said, and that is, if you reject His free offer of salvation into heaven, you have made a choice to separate yourself from Him right? If you separate yourself from Him and at your death, there is only one place of separation from God and thats hell. I dont understand what you are saying about God being unfair or capricious. When I said belief systems, I meant all the other belief systems in the world that teach believing in doctrines other than what God says is necessary requirement to spend eternity with Him forever. The doctrine of reincarnation is one example.

 

[James Lyon]

sshh.. seem you don't realize you speak with a muslim.

Well I do now.

 

[James Lyon]

Oh, my.

That is beautiful
.
God exists because
I do and I exist because
God created me.

I think that is quite possibly the best example of the fallacy of circular reasoning I have ever encountered. It beats the one usually used when defining that particular fallacy, namely:

God exists because the bible says He does
The Bible is true because
God wrote it.

This is even more true if you replace 'bible' with "the Quran," because unlike with the bible, it is my understanding that Muslims actually do believe that God wrote it directly.

Sometimes I have to wonder what my fellow theists are thinking...or if they do. C'mon, uncung...you MUST have a better reason for believing in Him than this!

Don't rest your faith in Him on things that can be attacked here.

Face palm lol

 

[jeager106]

Hell? Wassat?
A place of burning torment where "sinners" go?
Ain't no such place.
Google it and read please.
I ain't a gonna debate wiff ya as hell has been beat all to hell on this site.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So here we get to the belief of immortal soul vs not immortal soul. If "god" which is in its own a word I find shallow was willfully in control of all in omniscience then soul itself is merely a reflection of an idea in his mind. In this our physical form is merely a construction of atoms forming around his idea and letting the thought run its own course. For this we are a projection of the will of the most high and the soul is him experiencing himself as he plays out his idea "plan". So here Hell reflects the idea of not being in "his" fore thought and not being part of the plan at any one point, and also grants resurrection as a position of "his" will. And thus soul is immortal because it is god.

I follow your line of thought ^ above^ and would like to add that in Scripture there is a difference between ' soul is immortal ' due to the resurrection.
Remember that Adam was Not ever offered to be immortal, but Adam was granted ' everlasting life ' only as long as obedient to his God.
So, in Scripture, living forever (everlasting life) is dependant upon Not breaking God's Law.
The soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20 and the soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23
So, except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the majority of mankind will be resurrected out of biblical hell/hades (grave) to live healthy life forever on Earth - Revelation 1:18

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus 'slept?" How do you explain 1 Peter 3:18-20? That's pretty amazing sleepwalking...not only for Him, but for those to whom He preached.

Doesn't Scripture teach Jesus was dead until God resurrected the dead Jesus out of biblical hell ( grave ) ?___________
Acts of the Apostles 2:27; John 11:12-14; Acts of the Apostles 10:40; Acts of the Apostles 13:30,37; Colossians 2:12

According to Scripture, God resurrected Jesus back to his pre-human heavenly ' spirit ' body - 1 Peter 3:18 B
So, who are the ' spirits ' in prison (Not grave) of 1 Peter 3:19 ?
2 Peter 2:4 mentions the disobedient angels of Noah's day were cast down to tartarus ( KJV uses the English word hell ) The Greek word is tartaro'o ( tartarus )
Biblical tartarus is the 'prison' chains for those 'demons' - Jude 1:6
Jesus was ' preaching ' to them Not of salvation, but of their assured destruction because of his God resurrecting him.
Remember Satan nor his demons were ever in biblical hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind grave for the unconscious dead.
Didn't Jesus teach 'sleep in death' - John 11:12-14
Don't the old Hebrew Scriptures also teach 'sleep in death' - Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So far, Satan and his demons have Not yet been destroyed.
Jesus will destroy Satan, Not put Satan in the grave - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up Not in hell/grave but in that symbolic ' second death ' of Revelation 21:8
Since Jesus destroys Satan, and Satan ends up in ' second death ', then ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction. Such as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If you don't believe in hell or any type of afterlife then yeah do whatever you want, live life however you want, make the most of it.
However, you also have to consider that sometimes our lack of belief doesn't correlate with reality. So if hell is real and if you believe the gospel story then anyone who hasn't restored their relationship with God is going to hell.

Did anyone righteous ever go to hell ?______
According to Scripture, hell is real because the gospel story tells us the day Jesus' died that righteous Jesus went to hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27
Didn't Jesus have a restored, so to speak, relationship with his God ?_______
Did Jesus teach ' afterlife ' ( being more alive at death than before death ), or did Jesus teach resurrection ?
The teaching of ' afterlife ' implies an immortal or death-proof soul, whereas Scripture teaches the sinning soul dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20; Acts of the Apostles 3:23
Since the dead are in a sleep-like state and know nothing, then the dead are Not conscious before being resurrected back to life.
- John 11:12-14; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5

What happens to biblical hell ( grave ) according to Revelation 20:13-14
After everyone is resurrected out of biblical hell, then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into that symbolic ' second death' for vacated hell.
Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection......
That future resurrection will take place during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth or over earthly subjects of God's kingdom - Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14
At that millennial time, people like King David ( Acts of the Apostles 2:34 ) and the prophet Daniel ( Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13 ) will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth when mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for healing righteous mankind - Revelation 22:2

 

[dianaiad]

Dear Rapture Era...it's a bit difficult to respond to you when you have problems with the quote function, so I'll just deal with your first question, which was 'what translation do I use?"

No, my friend, it's not about 'translation.' There are a great many of those, this is true...in English alone, never mind all the other languages. Personally, I use the KJV, but only because that's the one my church publishes with a bunch of cross references and study guides. There is no mandate that we use it "KJV only,' or anything. It's just handy...and I love the poetry. I'm just as happy with most others....though "The Message" is a bit subjectively presented for my peace of mind. Entertaining, but not exactly scholarly.

It's about...I'm a Mormon. Evangelical Christians don't like Mormons, as a general rule. I think they might think that atheists have a better chance of entering through the Pearly Gates.

 

[dianaiad]

Doesn't Scripture teach Jesus was dead until God resurrected the dead Jesus out of biblical hell ( grave ) ?___________
Acts of the Apostles 2:27; John 11:12-14; Acts of the Apostles 10:40; Acts of the Apostles 13:30,37; Colossians 2:12

According to Scripture, God resurrected Jesus back to his pre-human heavenly ' spirit ' body - 1 Peter 3:18 B
So, who are the ' spirits ' in prison (Not grave) of 1 Peter 3:19 ?
2 Peter 2:4 mentions the disobedient angels of Noah's day were cast down to tartarus ( KJV uses the English word hell ) The Greek word is tartaro'o ( tartarus )
Biblical tartarus is the 'prison' chains for those 'demons' - Jude 1:6
Jesus was ' preaching ' to them Not of salvation, but of their assured destruction because of his God resurrecting him.
Remember Satan nor his demons were ever in biblical hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind grave for the unconscious dead.
Didn't Jesus teach 'sleep in death' - John 11:12-14
Don't the old Hebrew Scriptures also teach 'sleep in death' - Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So far, Satan and his demons have Not yet been destroyed.
Jesus will destroy Satan, Not put Satan in the grave - Hebrews 2:14 B
Satan ends up Not in hell/grave but in that symbolic ' second death ' of Revelation 21:8
Since Jesus destroys Satan, and Satan ends up in ' second death ', then ' second death ' is a fitting term for: destruction. Such as the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7

You are a Jehovah's Witness, yes?

Not that I have any problems with Jehovah's Witnesses; I don't. I think that they are all wet, but hey. I'm a Mormon. I think everybody else is 'all wet." Comes with the belief system. However, I really don't agree with the way you present those proof texts. For instance, 1 Peter 3:18 is not, I believe, talking about the resurrection of Jesus.

The 'spirits in prison' are the ones who were 'sometime disobedient' in the days of Noah. Jesus did indeed go preach to them between the time of His death and the time of His bodily resurrection, according to the text. There is nothing in the text that says that His purpose was only to mock them and cheer them on the road to hell...and since God is supposed to be a merciful and loving God, why would He do that, anyway? Why would He allow His Son to do that? I mean, really....who would want to have anything to do with a bully such as this?

No, I believe that He did come to PREACH to them...as the verse states, not to condemn or to vilify them. Preaching implies a chance....

However, mostly that verse lets us know that the bible does NOT incontrovertibly teach that there is no life after physical death, and certainly does not teach that Jesus Himself lay unconscious...or whatever the state is you claim we are all in...between His death and His resurrection. Which, btw, was very physical, according to the text (again).

So, to bring the topic kicking and screaming back to what we are supposed to be talking about, there is, evidently, a spiritual life after death, and a heaven, and a hell. The question is...what is hell like?

Who goes there? What happens to them?

To be honest, I think that if 'hell' is actually eternal non-existence, that's not hell. That's...nothing to fear. That's...nothing. Sometimes I think I would actually like that idea. Life can be difficult at times, and a rest would be good.

It's too bad that I don't happen to think that this is how things are going to go.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

How do you know that sin is not real, and believing otherwise is not leading you astray?

Finding out that breaking the laws of God (sinning) results in dire consequences is one way to learn the truth. Isn't it better to have faith in a higher power, and trust in the commandments and covenants God has asked us to follow?

I am not interested in being enslaved by god again, You can't do anything you want, I do not want to be controlled by your god, and I rather have freedom than live through that crap called sin. Lucifer wants us to live a happy life without that sin crap. What happened to living life to the fullest?

 

[uncung]

That is quite the most circular argument I have ever heard.

Please remember: I AM a theist...but dang, man, that's a really bad argument.

it is the most modest argument. If not by God then who created you? your mom?

 

[uncung]

You can? I would love to see that proof. Remember; I happen to believe in heaven (or more than one, whichever) so I'm actually on your side here. Please, do, give me the proof you have.

My religion describes that the heaven is for real. It is the proof.

 

[uncung]

Oh, my.

That is beautiful
.
God exists because
I do and I exist because
God created me.

I think that is quite possibly the best example of the fallacy of circular reasoning I have ever encountered. It beats the one usually used when defining that particular fallacy, namely:

God exists because the bible says He does
The Bible is true because
God wrote it.

This is even more true if you replace 'bible' with "the Quran," because unlike with the bible, it is my understanding that Muslims actually do believe that God wrote it directly.

Sometimes I have to wonder what my fellow theists are thinking...or if they do. C'mon, uncung...you MUST have a better reason for believing in Him than this!

Don't rest your faith in Him on things that can be attacked here.

You don't need such Bible and any alleged religious holy books to get know the God exists. Look around you, your self, we are here because God did it.

 

[Rapture Era]

Dear Rapture Era...it's a bit difficult to respond to you when you have problems with the quote function, so I'll just deal with your first question, which was 'what translation do I use?"

No, my friend, it's not about 'translation.' There are a great many of those, this is true...in English alone, never mind all the other languages. Personally, I use the KJV, but only because that's the one my church publishes with a bunch of cross references and study guides. There is no mandate that we use it "KJV only,' or anything. It's just handy...and I love the poetry. I'm just as happy with most others....though "The Message" is a bit subjectively presented for my peace of mind. Entertaining, but not exactly scholarly.

It's about...I'm a Mormon. Evangelical Christians don't like Mormons, as a general rule. I think they might think that atheists have a better chance of entering through the Pearly Gates.

Yeah sorry about that one "The quote function" that is, I messed up. I on the other hand use the NKJV because its easier for me to read and understand. I dont know about the fact that Evangelicals dont like Mormons. Personally for me, I can get along with anyone, I dont care what you believe, I mean, I dont look down on anyone who believes something different than I do. But if they ask me what I believe, I will tell them. If they ask a question and want opinions I will give mine. I learned a long time ago that its futile when someone comes to your door to have good dialog about God and you find out that you have opposing doctrine. It just doesnt work. I'm not going to convince you the doctrine I believe is right and you are not going to convince me that your doctrine is right. Besides, its not our job. God draws people to Himself not us. He may use us to give the gospel message but its the Holy Spirit who softly speaks to an individual. We do have differences on biblical doctrine for sure, but I always tell people if they are not 100% sure what they believe is correct, just ask God Himself to show you what is true. He will! Its a personal relationship with Him anyway that He desires to have with us. God is not interested in religion or what church you go to. He is interested in you. He wants a personal relationship with YOU! I have a friend I work with who has been dialoging with a old man who is like 82 that also works at our facility but in another department who has been a Mormon for 75 years! They have been talking with each other for the last 5 years! Thats wonderful! This man likes to sit and talk with my friend because he has realized how much my friend cares for him as a person. I have a saying I like to use and I keep reminding myself of it. "No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care about them." I try to live by this.

 

[roger1440]

If you don't believe in hell or any type of afterlife then yeah do whatever you want, live life however you want, make the most of it.
However, you also have to consider that sometimes our lack of belief doesn't correlate with reality. So if hell is real and if you believe the gospel story then anyone who hasn't restored their relationship with God is going to hell.

So how does one avoid hell?

 

[James Lyon]

So me and my friend were talking about religions. And he said asked me do I respect the 10 commandments and listed them. I. I answered yes to alldo respect them. Then, he asked do I help other people. I answered Yes. He asked me what do I do. I said: Today I helped my brother with picking up 30 min of his trash so when he come home he doesn't have to. I also cleaned my mom's room as a surprise. altogether about 2 h. I then asked "What is hell?". He explained it and I asked who goes to hell. He said: Non-Christians. So I respect the commandmetns and am good to people (In my opinion) and I do think Jesus did miracles, but he is not the ONLY way to god, and I would go to hell. Is that correct? Just wandering, I don't really belive in hell

I agree with what you are saying. Religion aside looking at "god" a word I find shallow to the depth of my concept of the creator consciousness, but i will use it as is the common label. Also we must look at us or our "Soul" aspect. And Man aspect. Then contemplate purpose and why we were created in the first place. This will give us a fundamentals of Heaven Hell and why.

God:
Most high, Prime Creator, Omniscient consciousness, All encompassing.

Soul:
True self, The eternal part of man, can live with out our body "given gods will"

Man:
Created being, Body and mind, mortal.

Purpose for our creation:
Jewish/Christian: To levitate the angels from physical duty on earth and to have dominion over earth. Earths caretakers. ?????
Muslim: To worship Allah. ?????
Buddhist/Hindu: Soul growth along the path of karma. ?????
Gnostic: God is Knowledge, To gain Knowledge is the true worship ?????
Atheist: God is an undefined and unproven notion. ?????
Lucifarian: Soul is your only gift from god and you must love it as such

Muslim, Christianity, Judaism, Are that if you are not part of their religion you go to hell regardless of your nature or actions.
Buddhist, Hindu, Ancient Egyptian, Reincarnation is the path to the godhead, and hell is the movement of a soul moving down toward ignorance and self absorption.
Gnostic: Defined by the individual.
Atheist: Hell is a notion of religion.
Lucifarian: This relm is yours as you are the will of god.

From this you can create your own idea of what Hell is to you. I personally don't believe any writing in a book can define "God" Heaven or Hell for another. but foremost I don't believe you can got to hell for not worshiping a specific religion that is just a control tool written by false prophets. Any religion that does not accept your connection with god as yours is false.

 

[James Lyon]

I follow your line of thought ^ above^ and would like to add that in Scripture there is a difference between ' soul is immortal ' due to the resurrection.
Remember that Adam was Not ever offered to be immortal, but Adam was granted ' everlasting life ' only as long as obedient to his God.
So, in Scripture, living forever (everlasting life) is dependant upon Not breaking God's Law.
The soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4,20 and the soul can be destroyed - Acts of the Apostles 3:23
So, except for those of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6, the majority of mankind will be resurrected out of biblical hell/hades (grave) to live healthy life forever on Earth - Revelation 1:18

The issue here is the problem with how earth is is not how you would want to be granted life on earth, therefore a cleanse of the planet would have to be set at a time, all of this I get to the core. Though the ten commandants explain sin but I believe it is deeper, that all sin is merely aspects of ignorance and that core sin is ignorance itself, so one can follow what religions teach as the path only or one can use it as what I believe Jesus and any other incarnations, resurrections, "whatever the individual chooses to name it" wanted is to develop the lessons and work on heightening the lessons they bring, Thus truly honoring the sacrifice the Christ makes Because the virgin story is in a majority of religions so I believe the Christ has been here multiple time, the Hindu count is 14 not including Jesus or Buddha.

 

[Rapture Era]

So how does one avoid hell?

Really? You have 3,500 posts on this site and you have read this thread, and you dont know how to avoid hell? Yikes! Well, I guess it depends on who you ask. But you know that already.

 

[yiostheoy]

So me and my friend were talking about religions. And he said asked me do I respect the 10 commandments and listed them. I answered yes to all. I do respect them. Then, he asked do I help other people. I answered Yes. He asked me what do I do. I said: Today I helped my brother with picking up 30 min of his trash so when he come home he doesn't have to. I also cleaned my mom's room as a surprise. altogether about 2 h. I then asked "What is hell?". He explained it and I asked who goes to hell. He said: Non-Christians. So I respect the commandmetns and am good to people (In my opinion) and I do think Jesus did miracles, but he is not the ONLY way to god, and I would go to hell. Is that correct? Just wandering, I don't really belive in hell

Jesus talks about Hell fairly often, so if you don't believe in Hell then you don't believe in Jesus either.

The 10 commandments are Jewish law, so if you are Jewish you better think about them night and day.

For Jesus' law you need to read the Sermon On The Mount, which requires way more effort than only the 10 commandments.

Not sure and can't tell what your title has to do with your question. They seem unrelated.

You should pick your titles from your first few sentences. In this case "do you respect the 10 commandments" would be a better title.

You can post it in the Jewish section.