Can someone please explain to me why a "drag show" is suddenly the epitome of evil?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No. That's not the point.
I am not understanding the point of mixing up LGBT with kids.

Leave the kids alone, said one song.

Which letter in "LGBT" do you think is involved? Drag <> trans.

 

[fantome profane]

Did this just show up in your news feed, too?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/healthy-mama-cancelled-drag-event-1.6622585

No actually, I had not seen that. Just I have seen people on this board (and other places) list drag as a great evil. I wanted to give them an opportunity to explain why, perhaps even to consider their position.

But this is an excellent example. It was not a “sex show”, it was not about “grooming”. It was a bunch of people coming together to entertain children and have some fun.

What could be wrong with that?

 

[Polymath257]

I think that kindergarten kids might be confused learning of the LGBT universe at such a young age.
In my humble opinion.

Why would they even associate it with LGBT? A drag show does not have to be anything more than some guys dressing up as women.

And children get that people can dress up as things they are not. They do a LOT of 'pretend'.

And if they are confused? Either they ask questions and the parents (should) answer or they don't ask. Either way, no harm, no foul.

PS: I think the adults are more confused than the kids.

 

[Aštra’el]

I do not see it as “evil”. I find it pathetic and disgraceful.

There are countless mothers and fathers around the world who love their children and inspire their young boys to grow up and become strong and capable men… so that they could honor their parents, live proud, attract a mate, create a family they could love and provide for, and be ready to defend their land and people should the need arise.

Then there are parents who take their children to drag shows. This is even more pathetic and disgraceful than what those performing for children are doing. They are in the position to guide and inspire their children’s development more than anybody else… and look what they do with it.

 

[fantome profane]

I do not see it as “evil”. I find it pathetic and disgraceful.

There are countless mothers and fathers around the world who love their children and inspire their young boys to grow up and become strong and capable men… so that they could honor their parents, live proud, attract a mate, create a family they could love and provide for, and be ready to defend their land and people should the need arise.

Then there are parents who take their children to drag shows. This is even more pathetic and disgraceful than what those performing for children are doing. They are in the position to guide and inspire their children’s development more than anybody else… and look what they do with it.

But why is it pathetic and disgraceful?

I think it is wonderful and noble. Anyone who decides to spend their time entertaining children, spreading a little joy and love is someone we should admire. Whether they read books, or act out fairytales, or sings songs or whatever, it should happen more.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

Maybe it goes back to how drag shows were common among allied troops in WWII but not among Axis troops, so it serves as a marker of which side of the "fascism" line you're on.

The intention had been to photograph the British troops rehearsing in drag for their Christmas charity performance which also was another way to keep themselves entertained.

Suddenly the troops were scrambled to deal with the approach of Luftwaffe bombers flying across the Channel to mount raids over southern England. With no time to change back into their uniforms, the men went to their battle stations still dressed head to toe in women’s clothing and wearing their helmets.

British soldiers manning anti-aircraft guns in women's clothes, 1940 - Rare Historical Photos

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Everyone on the phone calls me madam.

So? That's still a very ****ty and terrible thing to say. Lots of MtFs don't sound like cis women. Are they to keep in closet because you think kids are too delicate and easily confused?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No they aren't, they are kids.
And thanks for illustrating the problem.

Even as a kid I was queer and knew it. In denial, but it's who I've always been.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Did this just show up in your news feed, too?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/healthy-mama-cancelled-drag-event-1.6622585

Similar thing happened here recently. Never mind the fact the sports bar here in town has hosted drag shows with no problems.

 

[fantome profane]

Even as a kid I was queer and knew it. In denial, but it's who I've always been.

But what happened to you? Were you taken to a drag show that groomed you? Is that why you are the way you are?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are countless mothers and fathers around the world who love their children and inspire their young boys to grow up and become strong and capable men… so that they could honor their parents, live proud, attract a mate, create a family they could love and provide for, and be ready to defend their land and people should the need arise.

Queers do all that stuff you mentioned.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But what happened to you? Were you taken to a drag show that groomed you? Is that why you are the way you are?

I just knew, and then the Church taught me to very deeply hate myself is what happened.

 

[Sand Dancer]

PS: I think the adults are more confused than the kids.

Because we forget how kids think and bias it with our current adult ideas.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I do not see it as “evil”. I find it pathetic and disgraceful.

Wow. This speaks volumes...about you.

 

[sun rise]

I do not see it as “evil”. I find it pathetic and disgraceful.

There are countless mothers and fathers around the world who love their children and inspire their young boys to grow up and become strong and capable men… so that they could honor their parents, live proud, attract a mate, create a family they could love and provide for, and be ready to defend their land and people should the need arise.

Then there are parents who take their children to drag shows. This is even more pathetic and disgraceful than what those performing for children are doing. They are in the position to guide and inspire their children’s development more than anybody else… and look what they do with it.

Women should stop cross-dressing as well and go back to wearing only dresses and skirts. Right?

 

[SomeRandom]

I think that kindergarten kids might be confused learning of the LGBT universe at such a young age.
In my humble opinion.

Well to be fair there are plenty of examples of cross dressing, gender bending and even drag in actual children's shows going back decades. How often did Bugs Bunny dress as a sexy lady again? Which was emphasised for comedic effect even.
That was in what, the 50s!?
Did that just confuse all the baby boomers watching?
HIM from Powerpuff Girls comes to mind.
SpongeBob SquarePants has plenty of gags where he’s dressed as a woman. Even Pinky and the Brian did that time to time.
Even the dubbed censored version of Pokémon didn’t shy away from that.
Hell even Disney has examples of drag (Ursula from the Little Mermaid was based on a real life drag Queen, fun fact.)
Pleakly from Lilo and Stitch the series frequently dressed purposefully like a woman. Though maybe that doesn’t count since Pleakly is literally an alien but still.

Honestly wasn’t that confusing even at a young age.

 

[Quintessence]

Why would they even associate it with LGBT? A drag show does not have to be anything more than some guys dressing up as women.

And children get that people can dress up as things they are not. They do a LOT of 'pretend'.

And if they are confused? Either they ask questions and the parents (should) answer or they don't ask. Either way, no harm, no foul.

PS: I think the adults are more confused than the kids.

Maybe, but kids also don't exist in a vacuum.

I'm pretty sure if my school had done something like this, it... kids in my country are constantly inundated with sex and gender norms from a very young age. Or at least they were in the 80s and 90s; there are "boy" toys and "girl" toys and all that crap. All a drag show would have done is reinforce sex and gender stereotypes, making nonconformist children that much more miserable as they face a heightened onslaught of mockery from their peers. I got enough crap as a child for "dressing up as something you are not" without stuff like a drag show making it even worse. And it would have made it worse... at least in the absence of an excellent teacher who actively worked to deconstruct sex and gender stereotypes to remind people "now class, just because a X has Y hair and wears Z doesn't mean they are just pretending to be a Q."

 

[Spirit of Light]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

On the train today I sat next to a woman her child. I noticed the child looked at me, and I smiled to him. Then he turn to his mother asking, mom why do that man wear makeup?? His mother did not know to answer, so I told the child, I wear makeup because i like it and I make me feel free.
Then the kid said to his mom "mom i want to wear like that too"

His mom put on lipstick and colored his nails.

To me that was a beautiful moment

 

[Twilight Hue]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous. And I don't know why. And I wonder if even they know why. I wonder if they have ever actually examined their position.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

I would love to see Morgan McMichaels read books of witchcraft to kids on Halloween.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Really? It seems that some take it as an established fact that drag is dangerous.

Why was Marijuana criminalized? Why were we (in my country) throwing people into prison for simple possession? Now...long after many people's lives were ruined we are starting to ease up and stop doing that. Why did people let thousands of young men go to fight in Vietnam in a war that they would not be allowed to win? Because we weren't going to personally go and fight ourselves. It is easy to take as established fact things that don't personally affect us. I'm not a drag queen. I don't have children. It does seem unusual for a man to wear women's clothing. Why shouldn't I believe it could be dangerous if someone convincingly and emotionally tells me its dangerous? What if Dr. Oz says it? What if Joe Biden says it? I am convinced of things, sometimes, that I don't know much about such as who to vote for. I even make important life decisions based upon scant information. I often go with the flow. Its so hard to go against it.

So explain it to me. I say if I guy wants to put on a dress and read a book to children that is a good thing. More people should do this. And I don't care if they dress up like a clown, or a puppy or in drag.

I don't understand why it would be better than not. Why not just let children believe that men wear this and women wear that? Its always been easy for me, though I do hate tucking in my shirts. Its very easy for me to pick clothes. I grab some slacks and a shirt. Why would anyone want to complicate it further?

But no I can't at all explain why it is considered evil or is considered the epitome of evil. That is not my job. I can tell you that I have been told its wrong, that it is against the standards of my community. If you were to walk around in drag, here, you would probably feel nervous. You might worry about being harassed. I don't know that you would be harassed. I don't know. Its kind of just a void. It doesn't happen here.